Doing The Right Thing

You can do everything “right” and still feel like the world is daring you to quit. We start with a simple summer gripe about the heat and everyday manners, then jump into a bigger question that hits real life fast: when you hold the door, return the wallet, or bite your tongue, are you doing it for other people or for yourself?

We dig into moral dilemmas and personal ethics that don’t have clean answers, including paying it forward versus self-gratification, when a white lie is actually kindness, and when “brutal honesty” is just cruelty with better branding. From there we get into forgiveness and boundaries: what it means to forgive someone who hurt you deeply, how to let go without pretending it never happened, and why cutting people off can be an act of self-respect instead of revenge.

The questions keep escalating: How do you handle a workplace or social circle where everyone is doing wrong and it’s treated as normal? When do second chances become enabling? Do we owe future generations a sustainable planet, and why does corporate pollution make individual effort feel small? We also talk bystander intervention and safety, plus the surprisingly spicy topic of correcting people publicly, fact-checking in the moment, and the Mandela Effect that makes you question what you “remember” being true.

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Transcript

Studio Check And Heat Wave

Lou 0:01

Live from Robert Studios. It's DCI. What up, fellas? What's going on? What's going on? How you doing?

Tom 0:12

Chilling. Just uh not chilling. I'm chilling. It's hot as well. It's coming. It's comfortable. It's going through a heat wave. It's comfortable in here. No, no, we're chilling here. Outside, not so much. Not so much.

Lou 0:24

Yeah, my car when I came over today, it was uh 104 in my car. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I had 101. But there was a breeze, so I guess for me it wasn't that, you know. Well, I had the windows rolled down. My AC broke. That breeze is like a convection of it. It's super hot.

Keny 0:37

It's an air fryer. Yeah. But we haven't had any really hot days like this until now. We've had some hot days, but not like this hot.

Lou 0:45

Well, it's been a handful of years since we've been at uh three digits like this. Yeah, exactly.

Keny 0:51

Because when we were younger, it would never be three digits. So when it did happen, it was out of the ordinary. Oh, it's 101 tomorrow. You know, like week 1912. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 1:04

Out of a town in New York, you know, like we were at we were in the pump, we were in the fucking pool and shit.

Tom 1:08

So, you know. It didn't matter. See, a lot of hundred days in the nineties.

Lou 1:12

That's what I was using.

Tom 1:14

Well, I'm more 70s, 80s. Yeah, yeah.

Lou 1:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, in the nineties I was in Florida for a little while.

Keny 1:19

I was, yeah, I get it. I was in my adolescence. Pretty much all over the place.

Lou 1:23

Uh-da-da. You're a gypsy? Yeah. Zorba. Check that out.

Keny 1:28

Zorba. So I figure we try another one of those rounds of our of the questions. Or just, you know, hypothetical. Not necessarily a question. I'm scared. I'm ski. Why? Don't be scared.

Lou 1:39

Dude, man, I don't know. Questions always got like, ugh.

Keny 1:41

No, I picked a good topic, man. Don't worry. Topic? This is well, you know what?

Why Doing Right Still Frustrates

Keny 1:45

Let me start it off this way, because I apologize. You're right. So growing up for me, you always it was always about doing the right thing. Right. As long as you do the right thing. Okay. Make sure you do the right thing. Okay. Right? Right. That's how we were brought up. That's how everything was from. Yes. So sometimes you get frustrated with those things in life in general. See, I do the right thing. What the fuck? Right. That and the other thing. Right. Right. And then you have to remind yourself or be reminded of the fact that, but yeah, who are you actually really doing the right thing for? It's not anybody else. It's for you. Okay. It's for you. And but because you are the only one that m makes a difference, that's important in the sense where you don't have to worry about everybody else. You're just worrying about you. I don't see it that way. You know

Paying It Forward Versus Self-Reward

Keny 2:28

what I mean?

Lou 2:28

I don't I don't I don't see it that way. Because for me, I'm gonna tell you why. Before you say anything else, right? It's because for me it's about paying it forward. So example. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Keny 2:38

But hang out. You're going to the opposite of that.

Lou 2:41

Well, because that's how I look at it. I don't look at it like I'm not doing something nice for no, I'm not doing it, like I'm not turning around, I'm gonna hold the door open for you.

Keny 2:48

But you're not because you're not expecting anything for it. You're not doing it to get something out of it, is what I'm saying.

Lou 2:53

What I I'm saying.

Keny 2:54

So you're not doing it, you're doing it for yourself. Right. Not something, well, you're gonna be rewarded, rewarded, or get something, or something good's gonna happen to you because you did the right thing. Yeah. Kind of thing. No. Okay. You're not doing that. You're doing the right thing because you do the right thing. Right, because it means important to you. Is that what you're saying? Doing it because sometimes it may not feel good.

Tom 3:12

Do it because you know that's the way you're built. Okay. At least for me. No, I thought you were saying, like, I thought you were saying like you do it, uh people only do it because it feels good, so they're it's kind of self-serving. Kind of I thought that's what I'm saying. I guess that's yeah, in a sense, you could do that too.

Keny 3:24

You could feel good that you did. I'm sure there's been many times in our lives where we've done the right thing and good about it.

Lou 3:30

Okay, yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right.

Keny 3:32

You know what I mean? And you'd recognize it, but not in a conceited or you know, pompous way. Oh, right.

Lou 3:37

So then I have a- So I got a question then. So I get yelled at every once in a while, or a stern talking to because of when it is I am nice. You know what I mean? Now it doesn't matter if it's a dude or a chick, but I do it that I'm being nice to, but it's just a matter of like, oh, you let that person go through, you know, well, because that's this guy was doing this, or that lady was like that, so I held the door open or whatever. But you didn't do that when we were at the other store, like, because you didn't see what that motherfucker was doing. Like he's dragging ass. Like now he's just looking at me and just walking slower instead of hurrying the fuck up a little bit like I mean, I don't want you to run if I'm doing the solid or the door. Yeah, but you know, put it in the door. Yeah, a little something, something, you know what I mean? Yeah. And she's like, yeah, right. So for me, I almost feel like I know who the asshole is. So I just like watch the door close on you. You know what I'm saying? Like that kind of stuff, or letting somebody in, you know, depending on the kind of traffic I am, you know, that then I'll let somebody in in the lane or whatever, you know. So I'm like, yeah, no, I just don't like the way you look today, bro. Just get the fuck in the back of the line. You know what I mean? Shit like that. So I mean, I don't know, I guess, but I I hear you, I guess. I I just like I said I never ever think about it for me as it's how you're saying that, you know, it's for you know, it's just doing that nice thing. I'm looking at it as that I'm making the world better. That's how great I wouldn't say guys. That if I turn around and I hold the door for you and you were having a funky day, you're like, oh, that nice guy, he held the door for me, you know, and then you'll pay your forward, whether it's you're holding the door for somebody else or you're, you know, letting somebody in the lane or whatever the case may be, you know, saying or just saying a good morning to people. Like that's right. That's why I said I'm not gonna be able to do that.

Keny 5:08

I did the same as you, bro. I do the same as you. But the point I'm trying to make, and this came from our good friend Steve, who we have several times, who said to me, You don't do it to get rewarded. You're not looking to get anything out of it except for how you feel about it when you do it. Right. Right? And that's self-gratification. Of course, that's awesome. You should be doing that. Right, right. And you sometimes have to be reminded for sometimes that's what's the point I was trying to make, is that sometimes we forget that. Okay. But paying it forward and all that other shit is awesome because that's just an that's like a bonus. Right. You know what I mean? Like that's the you know what I'm saying? And absolutely, I think that's the right way to go. But I was having that conversation with him and he brought that up. I was like, Yeah, okay, that makes sense. I'm not actually doing it to get like any kind of great job.

Tom 5:54

Yeah, pat on the back. To me, to me, I the re the way the way I do things and or the reason I do is I a lot of a lot of it is more like a sense of justice. Like, like I wouldn't want something done to me, or I would want to be treated a certain way, so I do it. You know, because that's just how I look at it. It's like, well, you know, and and I think of a little bit is is what you said, like kind of lead by example. If you do good things, maybe other people will do good. You know what I mean? It's just but if you if if you don't try to do good and then people don't experience good, then they'll never know what good is. And then they don't they don't pass the buck.

Lou 6:33

Yeah.

Tom 6:33

And you passing the buck being a good thing in this. Right, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Paying forward.

Lou 6:37

And it's harder being bad past the buck as well. It is being bad kind of thing. Godly, it hurts, it hurts sometimes to be good, bro.

Keny 6:43

Because you have to put effort into you, you have to be conscious of everything. Yeah. But when you're not doing that and you're bad, that's a whole other level. So easy though to be bad. And you can fall right into that. Yeah. And that's just not someplace you want to be. Depends. Because sometimes being bad is like listen, we all have our moments when we when it's necessary, I guess, or hopefully not that many, especially at the fucking ages we are now. So Yeah. Yeah. Uh but you know what I mean.

Lou 7:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Keny 7:09

Of course. Uh yeah, it's just those things come into my head sometimes, and I was thinking, oh, that would make a good podcast. So let me ask that question. And of course, I have a bunch of other ones that I can ask you guys. I mean, you when

Manners Today And The Loud “You’re Welcome”

Keny 7:20

you talk to your kids, I know this is how I taught my kids. I said, You just do the right thing, you take care, make sure this, that, hold the door for something. And they they always did what I do. And I always make sure to hold the door and just say, like you, if something is not reciprocated or noticed or right. I'll say it out loud. I will say I will say out loud, you're welcome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See. Yeah, well see, I'm not sure. And it doesn't happen that often. It's usually once in a at least for me, it's not like an everyday, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of the time people are really helpful. I hold the door, somebody's coming in. Yep.

Lou 7:53

Whatever it is, have you noticed that kids are the one that say thank you before the adults?

Keny 7:58

Yeah. That's good. That's all they're supposed to be doing.

Lou 8:02

They outgrow the thank you. That's why they were adults that don't say thank you when you hold the door. Yeah, you little shit. All right, go ahead, Lou.

Keny 8:10

Let's go. Okay, let's see what we got here. Oh, yeah? Okay, here we go.

Returning Lost Items And The Lottery Fantasy

Keny 8:13

All right. Well, that's just an easy one. I'll say this. She always return lost items, even if no one known or knows or otherwise.

SPEAKER_04 8:20

Mm-hmm.

Keny 8:20

Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Lou 8:22

Or take it to the lost and fine, I guess. So here's a crazy. My sister had her wallet. She left her wallet on the New York City subway long, long time ago in a land far, far away in Brooklyn. She left her wallet on this thing. She had just moved to Florida. Don't you know somebody sent her shit to Florida? They sent it to the address, like her wallet, the money, everything that was in it. They sent it to the address to my parents' house in Florida. That's awesome. Yeah. I was like, what?

Keny 8:47

Doing the right thing.

Lou 8:49

So that person was like, oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh, okay. So yeah. Return the wallet. You know, I've always uh, you know, as kids, you know, if you knew where the money came from, or you have an idea, like when we don't find it in front of your building, you go and you knock on the doors, hey, did you leave 50 bucks? Right, right, right. You drop 20 bucks, shit like that, you know. There's all that kind of stuff. But you know why I do that? So this is where I'm selfish. So it was uh Turner. Ted Turner?

SPEAKER_04 9:14

Mm-hmm.

Lou 9:14

Right? Okay. BNT? The the yeah, the old uh the dude, uh the old rich guy from back in the day that he ended up, they said that uh his mentor, he was like dementia or whatever, and he used to do that. I'm pretty sure it was Ted Turner guy, I just lost his.

Tom 9:29

Yeah, whatever it was. Was she the guy on the network? Yeah, yeah.

Lou 9:31

Like he built the huge super humanity. He made the plane. No, that's that guy. But, anyways, if I'm wrong with the name, sorry, my bad. I'm having a brain fart right now. But, anyways, he, walking down the street, right, all disheveled or whatever, this dude comes by, helps him out, and takes him to, you know, to where he said he needed to go, like a hitchhiker. He says, Oh, you know, talking to the dude, like, oh, so what's your name? Thanks for helping me. The dude ended up putting him in the will. So when he passed away, he had left the dude like a million dollars or whatever it was and his will. So for me, it's the selfish shit. That's what I'm saying. I remember if it's freaking testimony. But you're not doing it for that, though.

Keny 10:05

That's the point I was trying to make. You're not doing it so that you could hope that someone leaves you.

Lou 10:09

So maybe this guy's a wealthy guy puts me in as well.

Keny 10:12

Well, first of all, it's like a pipe tree. It's like fucking playing a lottery tinker. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 10:16

You know, it's and on the cover, one of those things, like, yo, are you rich? You know what? I'm gonna ask you, bro. Hey, yeah, yeah, come on, I'll give you a ride. My name is Kenny. I live at, you know, 1313 Mockingberg Lane. Think about me when you die. You know, remember me. Put me in the wheel. You know anybody the house is. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right? Yeah, exactly. But no, I mean, like I said, I I mean, I know it's like you just said it's playing the lotto, but it's always that kind of thing in the back of the head, like, you know, fuck it. What's the downside to being nice? I probably wouldn't take the money like that anyways, you know what I mean? Yeah, like that particular dude did in this in the story. It's a true story, bro. It's a fact. But you know, it's one of those things, like, yeah, man, just yeah, that's fucking hilarious, bro. That is funny. But yeah, that's always in the back of my head. So it's shit. It's a little shit.

Keny 11:01

I got another

White Lies And When Truth Hurts

Keny 11:02

one for you. Yeah, I got it. Is it ever right to tell a white lie for someone's happiness? Are they on their deathbed? Listen that. And once it ends well, they're on the deathbed. Wait, so what is it again?

Lou 11:16

Is it okay on the deathbed? No, no, no.

Keny 11:18

It's ADHD, he was told me not here.

Lou 11:21

Oh, yeah, wait a minute. No, no, no, no.

Keny 11:23

Yeah to make them all like to make them feel better you say, right? So is it ever right to tell a white lie for someone's happiness? There you go. I don't know. I I mean I guess if it's your kids when they're little, because you can get away with it at that point, you know, because eventually they're gonna learn the truth. I mean, you're telling them a white lie about Santa and these bunnies and whatever.

Lou 11:41

Santa Claus is real. Me too, bro. Okay. I don't know, man. Is it? I think it depends on the circumstance. Right. If that makes any sense. You know what I mean? It's not okay to lie, but it is sometimes. Yeah, like they said, depending on what it is.

Keny 12:00

I think you might know that situation if it came up, right? You know? Yeah. Because you would know, like, I don't know this person, maybe, or whoever you're talking to.

Tom 12:09

Or even if somebody that's why they that's why they use the term brutally honest, you know, right worrying about hurting someone's feelings, yeah, right, you know, and telling the truth. Well, I mean, no, brutally honest, you know what I mean?

Lou 12:18

Yo, your wife is cheating. Do you just say it like that? You know what I'm saying? You know, uh you know, I just saw somebody crash into your car. You know what I mean? That's but it was you that's not even a white light, bro.

Keny 12:28

That's why I'm gonna go to the light.

Lou 12:29

Yeah, but if you did it, like yo, we just drove off, you know what I mean? You were the one who crashed the car, who scratched it. Do you confess? Do you tell that little white light, like, I don't know. I just saw the guy, he got in the car and he left.

Keny 12:39

Bro, you're you're taking a whole scenario. I know, I just messed with you because you know your face, you're like, whoa. This question was a very simple question. It wasn't complicated, Tom.

Lou 12:49

Do you agree or not? I mean No, I think you should. I think you tell a little white light to for somebody's happy.

Keny 12:54

I guess if right. I I would think that if I felt like something wasn't right or I needed to do it for whatever reason. Exactly. My instincts kicked in and said, Yeah, no, I'm not sharing this. Yeah, I'm not gonna give you that or whatever, whatever it might be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess the situation would have present itself.

Lou 13:09

Right. Definitely. I I think you should. I think you should, you know, depending on what it is. As long as nothing's like super severe, you know what I mean, the super serious, you know what I mean?

Keny 13:17

Right, then you'll be then you'll be brutally layout.

Lou 13:19

Right. Then you'd be like, yo, so no, that outfit does not look good on you. You're not coming out with me to be thinking when you looked at the mirror. Exactly.

Tom 13:26

Wait to get your mirror. You know, I've never I I'm always honest. When I when I talk to my wife to her, I I always tell her, I always say, like, if she asks if something looks good, I tell her, when she w should go shopping, she goes, This is so good. I said, No.

Lou 13:39

Yeah, right, right, right. Because I don't know, because I gotta tell her, yeah, it looks good. If I'm out with her and she's buying clothes and stuff, I'll be like, people.

Keny 13:47

Yeah, right. I do that too. But now I got a taste, especially in shoes, bro.

Lou 13:52

This guy. But I think, but does that count as I mean, does does your spouse count? You feel me?

Tom 13:57

Because people always say, like, oh, that you know, that's always the thing, like, oh, how does this look? I mean, it looks fine, 20.

Lou 14:02

Yeah, you know, like do that. So you don't lie to your spouse because you know, you need your spouse to sit around and go, oh, you look right. Oh yeah, but you're saying it like that. They know you're full of shit. Yeah, they know you're full of shit. No, it's a sarcastic tone. Does this make my ass look big? If you like purple. No, it doesn't. It doesn't make me look big. No, it does. I don't think that to your spouse, I don't think it counts, me personally. Because like I said, I don't mind telling my wife stuff. You know what I mean? Why? So a family member or your kid, anybody outside. Yeah, the kids, you know, you like to.

Tom 14:31

No, no, like you know, someone said to me, you know, does this make my ass look bad? I'd be like, No, I wish it did.

Keny 14:37

Yeah. The grandson had a haircut, right? And he looked like it was all down, he had bangs. So we were talking to him on the phone. And I was like, who got your hair, man? Yo, daddy. It's so funny because it combs to the side, but it was down. So he had like the bowl cut, like he looked like he was one of the three stooges. I loved it. So yeah, no, and those times you could be brutally honest too. But little, it doesn't matter. Yeah, they're not gonna be remembered anyway.

Tom 15:06

Yeah. Ball haircut, like like uh like what's his name? Uh Jim Carrey and uh Dumb and Dumber.

Keny 15:10

Not that stream, but good. Pretty close. Good funny as hell. When he had it like that, yeah. Yo, that is funny though, funny kid, man.

Lou 15:18

That is too freaking funny. I love that shit.

Keny 15:21

Yeah. So no, see, so this is what's good about this because look what it's from, it already pops up other things that we're talking about that are involved in doing the right thing, right? It's just not just it could be anything. Right. You know what I mean in life. Let's see here.

Forgiveness Versus Letting It Go

Keny 15:35

What do I got, baby? When is it right to forgive someone who hurt you deeply? Wow.

Lou 15:40

So on my desk, I have a little so I had uh a while back, I had a calendar and it has the little sayings in it, you know, you should forgive and stuff like that. I took that page off. I with packing tape laminated it, but before I laminated, I put hell no. Like, you know, you should forgive people. Hell no. I don't know. It depends on what, you know what I mean?

Tom 16:01

Some things are unforgivable, some things it's you know what? I'll be misunderstanding stuff, maybe.

Lou 16:06

Forgive, but not forget. So does that count as forgiving buttons? They could be for a long time before that's gonna happen.

Tom 16:13

I don't know about the forget thing. I listen that never made sense. Forgive and forget. It's like, what do you mean forgive me? You're never gonna forget. Right. But you know, if you're forgiven, you just don't remember. I don't remember. But you're gonna remember it anymore.

Lou 16:24

Right, but then where does it become forgiving if you don't forget? But you're well, technically you're never gonna forget it. You're still gonna.

Keny 16:37

That it was that you have to be happy or comfortable with the fact you're gonna forgive them for whatever reason. And you're all right with that.

Lou 16:44

Yeah, and like I said, I won't I won't tell you. I won't yeah, I'm just I I won't. Like I said, I don't forgive like that, you know? I got you, bro. And and yeah, so I I gotta say for me personally, I'm like, yeah, no, I don't think there is a time. It's I guess it it depends on the person. Every person is different. I have people flying through my head right now that I could say absolutely not.

Tom 17:03

I I would say if it's over like small bullshit. But if it's small bullshit, I wouldn't be there, wouldn't really it it wouldn't be like a bad anyway. Right. I wouldn't be bad. You know what I mean? So it wouldn't even require uh an apology, then I guess, right? If it's so I guess you're right. If it requires an apology how bad is it?

Lou 17:20

Right. You know, yo, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, you know, I didn't mean to say that. Well, see, I wasn't gonna get it. But see, now if they found out you did that, then that's you know, that's on you. So you gotta, you know how about how about things sometimes aren't forgiven, but you know, you're able to let it go?

Keny 17:35

No, not for them, but for yourself. Because most when you have that weight off of you, then you Right. You it's like you get let go of this burden, you're like, you know what?

Lou 17:44

So then that's when you cut that person off.

Keny 17:45

Right. You can do that too.

Lou 17:46

You know what I mean? Like that's hard.

Keny 17:48

I'm sure we all in this room have done that.

Lou 17:50

Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know what I mean? But a lot of people. There are people Yeah, definitely. There are people that I've that you know I just kind of like ghosted just for my own sanity. You know, there's a couple of other people that I disafficient, like, yeah, so don't come back, I'm not gonna see you anymore. Like, you know, we're good, it was fun while it lasted, you know, yeah, it's over. Yeah, I hear you, bro. You know what I mean? I totally get it. Yeah. Yeah.

Keny 18:12

Yeah. It's good stuff, man. Yeah, man. Yeah.

Lou 18:15

But it's funny. See, I would people probably expecting me to be like, oh yeah, I suck with your wife, you know what I mean? That would have been a Kenny's thing, you know. And Lou took it. That's funny as

When Wrong Becomes Normal Culture

Lou 18:24

hell.

Keny 18:24

How do you handle a situation where everyone's doing wrong, but it's normal?

unknown 18:29

Wow.

Keny 18:30

Wow.

Tom 18:31

How do you handle it? I feel like that's that could be more of a like a workplace situation. You know, I'm speaking the same thing. Everybody's stealing time and you're like, but like, what the fuck the company's in? That was a shitty question.

Lou 18:42

I'm sorry. That's not a shitty question. That is one of those like work ones because it depends on how shitty it is. You know what I mean?

Keny 18:48

Well, right. You hope you don't have that in your in your job, right?

Lou 18:50

Yeah, well, no, again, it it depends on how far up the ladder that is going. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Keny 18:55

Yeah, well, you can't you have no control. And that's the thing. You have no control.

Lou 18:58

Right, you have no control, so everybody's doing the bad thing. Let it go. Let it go. We watched boy smang it.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Always a workplace thing, but yeah. It's my God, it's always a workplace thing in that situation.

Keny 19:10

Yeah. I have to agree with that, bro, for sure. Yeah. Should we be honest about how we feel, even if it hurts someone?

Lou 19:17

Oof.

Keny 19:17

Depending on the person, maybe. No. I I don't know. I can't listen. If you have to do it, then you have to do it.

Lou 19:23

Yeah, I guess so. When it gets to that point, it might be a lot of people.

Tom 19:25

It's almost a point. Similar to a white light question, but more this is more like if you're like what do you mean like how we feel? Like if like something happened and we gotta Like you you got into whatever it might be, man.

Keny 19:35

Yeah. Honestly, you know, people have blowouts, you know, over stupid shit. Yeah. But you know, it's usually what it's about. Sometimes it's important, you know. To them it might be stupid.

Lou 19:44

To you it might be stuck. Right. It might be something worthwhile. You know what I mean? Like I mean, it's when you're patient. But at the same time, thing is where you are at the at where you are at the end of Monday would be like don't talk to me.

Keny 19:56

Should you be honest how you feel, even if it hurts someone's feelings.

Lou 20:00

Yeah, I think Tom is right though, with that. That probably goes along with the white lie. Or hurts them. Whatever. Same thing.

Tom 20:05

I don't know. I mean, it depend it it's so everything's so nuanced. You know what I mean? Like like like it depends with the situation, of course. Of course.

Keny 20:13

Like if it's But you could see yourself doing it if you had to, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it was necessary. You're like enough, I can't do this anymore.

Lou 20:20

Well, then here's the question. You ready? Okay. The level of friendship that you have with that person or that family member. You should be able to do that. That then it wouldn't be being brutally honest. It would just be like, yo, listen, you need to stop. You know, that's you can't just do that shit and leave it alone. You know what I mean?

Keny 20:38

Yeah, I've had that with my friends. Yeah. You know, I could say with Frank for sure. No doubt about it. We'll call each other out on some shit. Right. You know, whatever it might be. You know, but at the same time, if you have that kind of a friendship, then you like you just said, then it's not a big deal because you you can do that with one another. Yeah. Sometimes some people who you don't do it to for whatever reasons, right, and then eventually you do you just lay into 'em. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Lou 21:02

Yeah.

Keny 21:02

So yeah, blow up like a blow up. Yeah, not necessarily blow up. Sometimes it could just be words, certain words depending on whatever the situation calls for, and they're being sarcastic or they're they're making a dig at them, or they're they're being facetious or you know fucking looking to antagonize you for some reason. Yes, yes. Because they know it will hurt your feelings, it'll piss you off. What buttons to push. There you go. There you go. See? There you go. This is a good therapy test.

SPEAKER_04 21:31

Yeah.

Lou 21:31

It's like, dude, I remember maybe I should just call them up.

Keny 21:34

Like, dude, I'm sorry, man. Dude, yeah. But yeah, no, that's that's what a person could do to you. I mean, if they feel like you're getting it to them somehow, right? Now you get to the point where you're like, yeah, bam. And then you just throw it on and they're like I got something for you.

Lou 21:49

Yeah. Say hello to my little friend.

Tom 21:50

Say hello to my little friend.

Lou 21:52

Yeah. That's it. That's funny as fuck, man. Yeah, no, I I I I think that, you know, with the questions that you're asking, bro. I know. I think it just depends on who you're talking to. You know what I mean? I I really do. The ones that you've asked so far. You know what I mean? I just think on who it is that you're speaking to, what the circumstances are. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Keny 22:12

That that's that's most of these questions are the same, right? Because we keep saying the same thing. I think in every one of you said that. Right. Where it depends on the situation, right? What it calls for. But you do it with the thing you're actually answering the question saying, yeah, I would do it. It just depends on the situation for it. So you already know that something something is. You know what I mean? Right. Because that's where you're you're conscious about it, you know? Yeah. Right, definitely. Definitely. Or at least you would hope to be, right? Yeah. To some extent. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's uh so here's a good one. All right.

Accountability And Unintended Consequences

Keny 22:43

Should you take responsibility for the unattended consequences of your actions?

Tom 22:49

Yeah, of course.

Keny 22:50

You have to. You gotta. Yes.

Lou 22:52

You you have to accountability. Yes. But now. So I'm I'm a few times I've been told because rabbit hole, baby. Yeah. Well, no, because you know what it is, is that I think people don't understand me. No, go ahead. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying to you, I'm saying like, you know, like certain people just don't get where I'm coming from and why I say and do the things that I do. So that then I can take accountability, but it can't be that I'm taking accountability when I have to react to something that you've done. So then I have to cover my ass. You know what I'm saying?

Tom 23:20

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that well the accountability has to be the person who started. I hate that he started it. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, it goes back to the bottom. That's where the person that's accountable is. That's what we're talking about. Right. So I'm the last question. I don't think because that's that's crazy talk when some when when if you blow up at someone and then they get mad at you, how come you blow up at me? Well, because you were a fucking asshole. Right. Well, you gotta take accountability for what you did. But you're an asshole. That's why I had to do what I fucking think about. You know what I mean? Like you know what I mean? Like in that situation, then it's always gonna be the personal person who started the situation is the responsible part.

Keny 23:53

And that's the person that you take responsibility for unintended consequences, right? You mean like, oh, you didn't think I didn't know it was gonna happen?

Tom 24:02

Well, of course, yeah. Like you didn't think.

Lou 24:04

Well, yeah, okay, then I guess then yeah, that that then then I guess yeah, that's a different answer. But then yes, you do have to take accountability of what it is.

Tom 24:11

I didn't know setting off fireworks in your house was gonna set the house on fire.

Keny 24:14

Should you take responsibility for the unintended consequences of your actions? So in other words, unattended, it could have been an accident. It could have been, it could have been stuck.

Tom 24:22

Something could have been taken the wrong way.

Keny 24:24

Right. Or right, or right. Or it could be any s yeah situation. Right. Right? But of course, I think you would have to take responsibility for it. Yeah. Like I said, but then if you can defend yourself, they're gonna be like, but you're still, you know. Right.

Lou 24:37

Yo, I forgot to hit record. And then you'd be like, what? Like, my bad, I'm sorry. I thought you did it. Wow. I know, I know you're saying I would add it. I would take a look at the case. For the audience at home, this is it. You better take it, bro.

Tom 24:47

It's happened. We've got like 20 minutes. The button wasn't pushed, right? We didn't hit that button.

Lou 24:53

But no, but this that would be an exotic, yo, my fault. I'm sorry. Well, I had the volume all the way down. Yo, listen, my fault, I would have paid attention. Then yes, taking kind of building. Right. Right, unintended. So yeah. Something like that. Absolutely. Yeah. Your faces were prices, though. Thank you, guys. Oh, yeah.

Keny 25:06

I was like, I really thought he was serious. Spas. Yeah, well. Stand on, man.

Lou 25:09

Wait till April Fools comes.

Keny 25:11

Well, when I went out at the end yet, so I'm gonna give you something different. Okay.

Lou 25:14

Uh-huh.

Keny 25:15

I sounded a flashback. Yeah, yeah. All right. When do you

Second Chances Or Enabling Patterns

Keny 25:19

give someone a second chance and when is it enabling?

Tom 25:23

So you mean when's the opposite? Well, I think more than a second chance. I mean, it was when it's enabling. It's that's a tough one because so I would say when to give someone a second chance. I mean, if you hear them out and it is sincere and the story does sound legit and it's not just like an excuse. Right. Then I yeah. I mean, but it depends. Is it or is it like a track record where like you know and a fucking apology is gonna be like nothing. You know, fucking just to get you to be happy. Yeah, then fuck that. You know, and you're then you're enabling them because you've aren't you've obviously done it before. Yeah. Again and again. That's it, yeah. Again and again. It's like just taking advantage.

Lou 26:00

Yeah. They're just taking advantage of your kindness at that point. I think you're right, Lou, when you said after the second time it's enabling.

Keny 26:06

Yeah, because you're already starting it. Because it's like when you have it with your kids, when you're like, I said to put it away. Yeah. Instead of taking care of it and doing having it taken put away, rather but then you're asking another ten times. Right. Yeah, it's like, no. Now they know that all you gotta keep doing and they're gonna just keep doing. Right, exactly. They're letting you rock. Right.

Lou 26:25

I mean you're letting them they figure it out. They manipulate you. Yeah, excuse me. Yeah, there you go. So after the second time, it's enabling.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

I would say so.

Lou 26:32

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. Now though, is it on just the one thing that you're giving them a second chance? Because if that person just does shit as just that person, you know what I mean? Like it isn't, yeah, all right, all right, I'm sorry, I won't smack your hat off your head anymore. But then now they turn around and they're poking you in the in the ribs. You know what I mean?

Keny 26:50

I didn't say I wouldn't poke you in the ribs. Yeah, yeah, you know, shit like that.

Lou 26:53

Like you mean that like does it go for everything? Is it just for you? And you break the finger. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know, upside down. Yeah. You know, I mean I I I I think I'm having it. But then you would cut that person off, then at that point, no. Or that person because they keep us to be on. Yeah, you gotta go. Gotta go, gotta go. You know, lose my number. Yeah. See? Definitely. Yep. Took advantage of me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's wrong. Was it uh manipulated? Fool me twice. Fool me once. Fool me once, shame on you.

Keny 27:21

Fool me twice, shame on me. Right. I believe that's the correct way to say it. Yeah. Duh. Oh send to me. Do we

Sustainable Planet And Corporate Responsibility

Keny 27:28

owe future generations a sustainable planet no matter what? I say yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm gonna be a cyborg. So I need the planet to be. Just do me a favor. If you actually happen to become a cyborg, just come find me. That's all. Well, I can't resurrect you though. Yeah, you can. How? Because by that time, they'll be able to do everything. Yeah, but your brain, well, I don't know. Your brain might be.

Lou 27:47

Well, we'll make sure we preserve his brain when we're gonna do it.

Keny 27:49

Yeah, yeah, put it in brain. There you go. Freeze it up. Just write Abby normal on it.

Lou 27:56

Yeah. That's great. Yeah. That is fucking funny. Yeah, no, that I think, yes. I mean, if we love your kids as much as you say you do, as much as I say that I do, you want them to, you know, have a nice, rich life as healthy as possible. Right. You know what I mean?

Keny 28:14

You want the planet to be to be sustainable so they can live while beyond all this crap.

Lou 28:19

Exactly. So I want my, you know, the next generation to be able, you know, to live in some kind of, you know, healthy environment, you know, that they're not, you know, having to, you know, I guess like almost any other post-apocalyptic uh, you know, story, you know, that they have to go crazy trying to find good food, you know, and and uh not be, you know, get radiation burned from being out in the city. Right.

Tom 28:42

You know, you know the thing is though, I the thing I hate about, and I I I hate to sound like such a Debbie Downer, but like the whole environmentalism thing is like, it's it's not that it's bullshit, it's that the consumer produces like I don't know what it's a small percentage, it's like ridiculously small, like three or four percent of the waste compared to what the corporations do we hold it. It's like we're barely putting a dent in it and and all the all the stuff we do because they're just dumping shit and wasting shit. And they they're the ones who are producing the plastic, right?

Keny 29:20

When you want to fight against that to be able to stop it?

Tom 29:22

Well, that's the thing. Like you gotta like, I feel like that's it. So that if you want to make their children or their children, this is my this is my uh children my my activism mindset I had. Right. I knew you wanted to go there. I was like, if you want to make the impact, you gotta fucking you can't it's gotta be more than just like I'm gonna bring a water bottle instead of buying water, or I'm gonna it's like because like the consumer, like the I mean the the the the the the companies that produce so much friggin' waste that it's like you could barely you could you could uh have a uh a mission-free car, you could recycle everything, right? And it's like these companies just dump and shit.

Keny 29:58

Right. They just put it right back. Yeah, we have to do the right thing. Yeah, but they don't it's a whole thing. I know it's it's it's a rabbit hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 30:04

It is really it's a it's a fucked up psychological script. It is I don't know. I guess it's it's a contradiction. I think for sure.

Tom 30:11

We want a better power over children, right? And we need to get out there and fucking make a difference and and get into legislator and get into you know lobby and all that shit. Yeah.

Lou 30:25

Well we don't even know what the hell is good anymore, anyways. I know. You know what I'm saying? In all honesty, like is this okay, but it's not okay, you know what I mean?

Tom 30:32

Well, and and the other and and then you fight you're fighting against the river because or fighting against the stream or whatever. Yeah, or swimming against the stream. But like because the companies have lobbyists trying to pass legislation in their favor so they can dump more shit and and not have to pay for it to be recycled and then you got EPA lows that are being overturned and you know, without getting too much politics. Yeah. Because I know we don't talk politics.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

I'm just saying, like, there's a lot of it's it's it's like an uphill battle.

Keny 30:57

Right. Right. You're you're definitely like a title wave is what you're finding. Right. You get about a freaking uh little uh uphill uh up the creek. Right. But I get it, Brubs. Yeah.

Intervening In Injustice Without Getting Hurt

Keny 31:06

Is it right to intervene when you see injustice, even if it's dangerous?

Tom 31:10

That's I feel like that's I feel like John Canyonis is gonna come out soon. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, so uh love that show too. That's such a good show. No, I I feel like you don't want to put yourself in danger. So I I would say no, I'm not uh I'm not uh I'm not I'm not you know I'll I'll do the right thing, but I'm not gonna be a hero. You know what I mean? That in that point where I'm gonna put myself in danger.

Keny 31:31

But still figure out a way to get it done. Yeah, but I mean like without having to get yourself killed. Right.

Lou 31:35

So you just called the police or something, whatever you want to do.

Keny 31:39

At least do something, even if it's not actually getting involved.

Tom 31:42

Right. Maybe if I was younger, I'd put myself in hard way, but I got too much to you know, if I was in my twenties, yeah, I'll get in the way, you know. I I mean I could do it.

Lou 31:51

I could take them. You know, yeah, because like even like now, there's certain things that I'm like, you know. But I think that that's uh my growing up mentality. You know, there's a point where it's like, you know, just mind your business because you don't know why, you know, cause and effect, you know.

Keny 32:05

Right. I think instincts come into that as well, right? Because your body, your, your, your self tells you, don't get don't get involved. And then sometimes it tells you, hey, this doesn't feel right. Right.

Lou 32:17

Like, you know, when you see when you see domestic violence, you know, you see a guy beating up on his girlfriend or you know, whatever, vice versa. And I've gotten in the middle of like, yo, yo, yo, cut that out, you know, whatever, and then end up in a fight myself. Right. With the guy with the guy. And then the girl jumping on my back because she's like, please, mind your business. She minds your business, don't black. He just knocked your tooth out. What the fuck you talking about right now? You know what I mean? Like that kind of stuff. Right. So, you know, been there, you know what I mean? And enabling. Yeah. There you go. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, it it's it's I think depending on, like you said, I think depending on how ex how violent or how bad the situation is, yeah, is that will determine on how you intervene. Yeah. If that makes any sense, you know what I'm saying? Like if I see somebody, if we see a bunch of kids getting jumped. So like so let's say the three of us are out hanging on. But it depends.

Tom 33:04

Because like I said, if the two that are getting jumped, if it's one, if seven kids getting jumped by one guy, three of us could take them. Right. Well, but I'm saying, but see, but then he's not getting jumped.

Lou 33:13

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I see like a few, we see it from a distance. If I well, like I said, we went down to the mall and we were hanging out that day. You know, we would have seen five kids, you know, teenage kids, 16, maybe 15, 16 years old, and they're punching the shit out of one kid or whatever, you know, we'll walk a little bit slow because you know, for me in my head, you know, I don't know what that kid did to deserve that, you know, smack around that he's getting right now. Like, all right, cool, that's enough to enough. And then you start pulling the kids off. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like that. I know we could handle, you know, three of us could handle, you know, four or five kids beating up on the one. Now, if it's a gang of motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying, you're looking at five or six and they're just like, you know, or seven or eight, I should say, you know, and just stopping somebody. I'm like, security.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

Yeah. Security.

Lou 33:54

Please, somebody. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Hurry up.

Lou 33:56

It's like that kind of thing, you know. But only because of how violent things have gotten, you know what I'm saying? With all these young kids lately. Yeah. You know, these kids, you know, everything is gun and you know, yeah, stuff like that.

Keny 34:07

You know, it's it's just be careful who you don't try to react. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the thing. Just as far as keeping yourself safe, I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, even if someone pulls in front of you or whatever, like shut just like, no, I'm not giving letting them have it. See, that's why I drive fast.

Lou 34:22

So just so they can't pull out in front of you fast. I'm just saying, bro. He always has to find an excuse to give them a reason to drive fast. Oh, listen, Bubbles. Yeah. That's crazy, man. I don't need no more.

Keny 34:31

What is that all about, bro?

Lou 34:33

Yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah. I think it just depends on the circumstances, though. Like, you know, just always have your head on the swivel. Pay attention to what's going on. Because they even say, like, too, when you turn around and you they you have to be careful when you go, if you stop on the side of the road to help somebody out, because you know, that could be the setup. Yeah. You come in and you know, give me your car, son. So, you know. Go ahead and look what you got. Let's see.

Correcting People Publicly And Fact-Checking

Lou 34:55

Yeah.

Keny 34:55

I know Kenny like this one. Should you correct someone publicly if they're wrong or do it privately?

Lou 35:01

Oof. Does it I it depends on who it is. It depends on the situation. Depends on who it is. I don't care about the situation. I just think of who it is. So if you're a dick, I'm telling you in front of everybody, nah, bro, you're wrong. Look that shit the fuck up. You're wrong all day. Right. If it was somebody that I'm quite like, nah, Tom. So later on, I'm like, yo, go look that shit up. Cause that was wrong, yeah. That wasn't it, bro. You know what I mean? We won't say nothing, but you know, I got your back from over here. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think it just depends on the person. Because I'm I'm an asshole. We know that. I'm a fucking dick. And I have zero issues with telling that one person, nah, bro, you're full of shit. That's not where it was. That's I know you don't. That has nothing to do with it, bro. You know you're wrong. Look that shit up.

Tom 35:40

Make it up. Well, you know it's funny. It's like back in the day, like someone could be like a bullshitter. Right. Like, you couldn't fact-check them. You fact check people on the spot now. Yeah, hell yeah. I know. I'll do that. Yeah, me too. Yeah. And also sometimes I'll say something. I don't want to, I don't do it to be a dick. I just want to know the truth. I'm like, oh let me see. I don't that doesn't sound like that.

Lou 36:05

Cushia.

Tom 36:05

Right, but it's how you say things. How you say it. Right. To somebody who's like, I don't know. Did you do a public situation? I I say it. Right. But I'm not sure. I don't do it in a dick way. I'd be like, oh, I just looked it up. It's uh you know, I guess no matter how you say it, it comes off as a dick.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

I still do it on a game.

Tom 36:20

No, I will say what being a dick. No, I'll look it up and say that I won't say like you're wrong. Yeah, yeah. But I'll be like, oh, I looked it up, it says this and that. Right. That's a different combo. Yeah.

Lou 36:31

So now see, for me, there are things that I know for a fact when I learned about said thing.

SPEAKER_04 36:37

Okay.

Lou 36:38

Right. So I know that, you know, the Lamborghini had the lemon yellow. Like that was the color. It's not true. I'm just saying, you know, that it was the lemon Yemen yellow the lemon yellow. Yemen, Yemen lemon yellow. Yemen yellow. Lemon yellow. Back in, you know, 19, you know, 83, and that's what the coutash, that's what the color was, the main color. That was right. Yeah, that was. But then I don't say what year it is. So now you fact-check me. Like that wasn't the color that it was. It was mellow yellow in 1984. I'm like, I said 83. You know what I'm saying? Like, but it's one of those things. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know what I mean? I know that when I said it. So I've been fact-checked on certain things too. I'm like, wait a minute. I don't know. Dig a little deeper in the case. I don't know what you were like. Right. But because I'll share something with you.

Keny 37:19

And you're like, oh, I didn't see this shit. You do it with me as well.

Lou 37:22

But because it's up to Tom. But we have to check. If you do the deeper dive, then you find out it was like that before until it changed. See, I do that.

Tom 37:30

You know what? I do that. Right. But I do it, I think it's I think it's a neurodivergent thing because like I just need clarity. Like I'll be like, actually, it was 1985, mellow yellow. But I don't, I try not to be a dick about it when I say it. No, but see, but that's why I clarity to certain things. I just I like clarity. It depends on the person you're gonna say.

Keny 37:49

Sometimes I won't say anything. If I know the person, I do a self, right?

Tom 37:52

If I know the person's arrogant and they're gonna get offended by me fact-checking them, I'll just be like, Yeah, no, relax.

Lou 37:57

Depending on what it is, I'd be like, yo, dig a little bit deeper because I remember that. I remember those words. Like, we follow you and I follow this guy that does the timeline. The the black dude with the dredge. Yeah, that guy.

Mandela Effect And How Memory Gets Rewritten

Tom 38:09

He's the guy that always does the uh Mandela thing. Mandela fee.

Lou 38:12

You have to follow, we have you have to, and we'll send them a couple to you. Okay. All he does is tell him. And the things that he says, like, I remember things being this way, and I'll agree with some of the shit that he says.

Keny 38:21

Did you ever hear about the when they talk about the timeline that it got skewed? Right. That's what I'm saying. That's it. And it actually was not skewing it, and then we're on a different timeline, not the one that we were presently on.

Lou 38:33

And there you go. So then imagine right, but then so I'm not saying that that's why, because that's our conspiracy theories, you know, in our conversations like that. But I'm saying that, you know, there are things that I remember being a certain way. So that then it's like, well, some people saw it like this and others didn't. You know what I mean? Or you remembered it if you're not sure. You remember it this certain way. But I'm saying, like, when you turn around and I said to fact-check somebody, you know, or call somebody out on something, right? I know I saw it like this. I know this is what I saw. I remember the song or whatever it was that was this. Right. So that then you're sitting here telling me, no, no, it wasn't, and you're calling me out. I'm like, nah, motherfucker, look that shit up because I know that that's how that shit was. You know, and then you come to find out that there was, you know, other sayings or uh a skit. Like with this guy, what he says is like Jim Carrey did a bunch of skits. Did you see that one? That there were certain things that he did in his skits spoofing real life stuff. Okay. That's what stuck in my head. So then I remember that that's what it was when it really wasn't. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's how it's a lot, too.

Keny 39:36

It was something I got you.

Lou 39:37

Yeah, I can't, is that I love it.

Keny 39:39

There is a lot of men. Because he said it or how well. Right, yeah, right.

Tom 39:42

There is a lot of men. Well, the same thing. Like, I think like Tommy Boy screwed up the the Luke, I am your father. Because he was doing that in the film. Luke, right, yeah, your father. He doesn't say Luke, I am your father, he says, No, I'm your father.

Lou 39:57

But I don't remember the original movie.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Yeah.

Lou 40:00

I do. And it it was But that's so do you remember it saying, Luke, I'm your father? No, never. See, I don't remember. I'm not even gonna make believe that I remember that.

Keny 40:09

That's like the Star Trek where where Kirk says, Scotty, beam me up. Yeah, right. Beam me up, Scotty.

Tom 40:13

Beam me up, Scotty. And that's he never said that because other people, because someone else said it, and it became unpopular. Right.

Lou 40:20

So what did he say? What was it?

Tom 40:21

It was just beam me up or beam us up. It wasn't Scotty, beam us up. Beam me up, Scotty. He never said it. That beam me up, Scotty was never said. See? Just beam me up, I think he might have said it or beam us up. Shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 40:34

Well, like I said, yeah, beam us up. Okay, right. See so that then, but I I would say But he never said those exact words, beam me up, Scotty. Right, see, so that then now that was. That's a fun one, right? Right? Right, but because Jim Carrey did that in in Living Color. He said, Scotty, beam me up.

Tom 40:50

When he did his when he did their little and some things are just like the way people say things or pronounce things, like like people say the Berenstein bears. It's Barenstein bears. But everybody thought it was Stein because just people said that. Right, but then because Stein would is a popular last name. Well, because but they're nice, uh they're nice.

Lou 41:08

But now we're gonna go with that because then you have Berenstein. No, but wait, what's his name up? Fucking uh young Frankenstein. So young Frankenstein is Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 41:18

So now because Right Frankenstein. Right. So then Frankenstein. Right. So now it Berenstein, Frankenstein, is done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Is it Friedrich Frankenstein?

Lou 41:28

No, it's Friedrich. Yeah. Why isn't it Friedrich Frankenstein? Right. So then it's not. There's that something that then is why we heard it different that it's Berenstein or Berestein.

Tom 41:40

But you know what's but the the actual Mandela effect come and the reason why they call it the Mandela effect is because when Nelson Mandela died, people thought he was dead already. I'm gonna tell you what, bro. It's because they thought he died in prison. They didn't even realize he became president. I knew that.

Lou 41:55

He became president and I remember him dying in prison.

Tom 41:58

No. I remember him getting out of prison and become president. I remember that. I remember I remember him like they said president. I remember President Mandela uh talking on TV.

Keny 42:06

I remember when he went and got out of jail and then he became president.

Lou 42:09

See, I remember him dying. Yeah, no. That's what I'm saying. Before president. Right. Like I remember him being the activist and all that other stuff. Yeah.

Tom 42:18

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. That's that is the Mandela effect that I don't think there's a good explanation for that. Because that one, I how do you explain that one? Right. Because the other ones were explained. It's like all the time.

Keny 42:27

Because it's playing too how things are by the time it gets to where it goes, it takes on a life of the.

Tom 42:32

But there's people who are saying they remember seeing the news that he died in prison. Yes, that's what I'm saying. And then there's people who were like, I remember him being president of what South Africa, right? I remember being president of South Africa. I remember them, like, I remember he did like a there was like a bit major thing that happened in the news when he was president in the 90s. I don't know if he like did something to bring peace to to the to the country or whatever it was. I remember seeing him do it, and then I remember seeing him die, but like I don't remember him dying in prison.

Lou 42:59

That's no, I don't remember him dying in prison. Yeah, I remember him dying in prison. So a lot of people who really didn't die in prison.

Tom 43:05

Yeah.

Lou 43:05

Yeah.

Tom 43:05

But and so at the or or remember him dying in prison.

Lou 43:08

I remember him dying in prison, bro. I could I could see him tell you that.

Tom 43:14

Right. He didn't, but I remember him having a monocle. And again, that people say, well, that's because the Ace Ventura. So people think he has a monocle because the guy you must pay the monopoly. That's one I always do. Don't have blackboard analysis.

Lou 43:26

Right. But that's what I'm saying. That's why they say, like, you know, listening to the guy with the culture changes your perception. Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's the funniest. It's the things that we grew up with, the things that we even saw on on um.

Keny 43:37

Yeah, but we're pretty good at siffing it out sometimes, knowing where it came from and who said it and why and how it was said it.

Lou 43:42

But it's still like I said, I I yeah, a million percent, Lou. A million percent. Because there was shit that I tell you. I remember it being this way.

Tom 43:48

And like another common one is I'm not bringing I'm bringing up a politician, what a politician said, but I'm not bringing up politics is when what's her name when the when she was governor of Alaska said, I can see I can see my house from Russia. But she never said that. What's her name said that on Saturday Live, and then that became the thing. Everybody believed she said that. Right, right. Because it's just a lot of people. You did say that. She did say it.

Keny 44:09

She did. Are you sure? Yeah. Because I the the the scuttlebox she didn't, or she did it. Or she made a comment about it, or something being funny or something. Right like that. Not necessarily. But it like he said, it just took it out of context. But she really wasn't the brightest uh box. I'm just saying. Hang on. Uh-huh. Okay, we got time for one more.

Free The Mythical Beast Or Not

Keny 44:30

This is the last one. All right. At last, would you set free a mythical beast if it meant the world would judge you? Mythical beast if it meant the world would judge you. For letting it go, of course.

Tom 44:44

You let Cthulhu free. What the other thing is that the Yeah, hey, what the hell is wrong with you? I would let it free.

Keny 44:50

Because if it meant that if I let it free, it would go where it just would go, you would hope, and it wouldn't well most myth mythological beasts had a because like, you know, is is is is Bigfoot.

Tom 45:02

Or uh or or a unicorn.

Keny 45:05

Some reason in my head I have something flying. I don't know why.

Tom 45:07

I just picture when you say beast, that's the first one that came to mind was Cthulhu. I don't know why. Now which one was Cthulhu? That's the one that's like got the tentacles and like it wasn't they it was in actually it was in the South Park episode. I don't know if you saw that one where they had them.

Lou 45:19

But what was it from? Greek? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, see, that's funny. Cause I don't know, I don't remember that one.

Tom 45:24

You let go of the case. Yeah. You let that out. Well, like what? Is it gonna eat people? Is it gonna destroy people?

Lou 45:35

But see, but there's some there's some that actually go after evil. Okay, well then you want to said then, you know, I'm gonna be judged, but then people are like, Well, I I did this when I was, you know, 17 years old. Am I gonna get, you know, am I gonna be damned now? Mythical beast. You know, is what you've done since. Did you set it free? I would set it free.

Keny 45:53

If you yeah, I would. I think I would if I knew what it meant if I didn't. And of course other people didn't know, and hopefully they would learn that in time. That the right decision was made. You would hope it was. That makes sense. Yeah, release the kraken. Release the kraken. Yeah. But you gotta have Medusa though.

Lou 46:10

Yeah, just stop him. Just turn them to stone, baby. Yeah. But you know, the kraken, you know, it could help. Just like just put Medusa head away, because some motherfuckers gotta go. Let him do his job. Clean house. Yeah, no, I would. I would I would I would. You you don't know, you wouldn't do it? I'm gonna say no. Okay.

unknown 46:28

No.

Keny 46:28

I would. I would just think. I was thinking something flying, like more of a like a dragon or a pegasus. Unless it's like a non-harmful like mythological beast.

Tom 46:38

Right. Yeah.

Lou 46:39

If it's crazy, it shouldn't be. Well, like you said, if you're gonna do like a uh a unicorn or or Pegasus, I'm sorry, a Pegasus, you know, then you like What's if it's like a mythological beam that can destroy things but doesn't, like a dragon.

Tom 46:51

Like the dragon's not just gonna go fuck up buildings. It's gonna eat things, it's gonna hunt, it's not gonna go attack buildings like uh like uh what's her name? Targaryen destroying the whole side. Yeah, yeah.

Keny 47:02

Right, you have to be able to communicate with the dragon.

Tom 47:04

But like, you know, a dragon would just be up in his castle and he'd go and things and then go back up in his not castle, it's a cave or whatever. Right. So yeah, maybe. I I hate to give the depends answer because it's so wishy-washy, but it really does. Like if it if if if it's gonna harm people or a lot of people, then maybe a couple of even in mythical times, we ponder what is the right thing.

Lou 47:25

Yeah. Right? Yeah. The right thing is to be nice to everybody, bro.

Keny 47:28

Fuck all those. Right thing is just to do right. Be nice to you, of course, that's part of it, right? Right. But mostly to make remember that it's not about getting something out of it necessarily, but you are automatically getting something because you're getting gratification by doing it. Knowing that you did it right there is your reward for sure. That's how I feel.

Lou 47:46

I get you.

Keny 47:47

When I heard that phrase, so for me, for me anyway, yeah, it I was like, okay. And I was reminded that I was already reminded about this once before. So I asked the question twice. Yeah, dad's funny.

Lou 47:59

Well, that works. Funny stuff, man. Yeah, yeah. For sure. All right. I wasn't the I was a little bit nervous, I'm not gonna lie, beginning of the questions. Uh-huh. You know, like, fuck what's going on. I have another show. We'll do those next time. Next time. All right, cool. We got you.

Tom 48:10

So I'll cut this part out, but I have an idea for the on when we do the holla at the end. I could turn that switch off. It's on Lou side. It's off air, and then the episode ends.

Lou 48:20

Okay. Okay, cool. So you got it on your side, Lou. All right, so cool beans.

Final Thoughts And Sign-Off

Lou 48:23

So with that, thank you everybody for listening, watching, being here with us. Like, subscribe, and all that other good stuff. And uh love, peace, and hair grease.

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Live long and prosper.

Tom 48:32

And may the force be with you.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Holla.