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Why Return of the Jedi Still Hits So Hard
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What if Return of the Jedi isn’t just a great ending… but the most misunderstood Star Wars movie?
In this episode of CC & NJ Guy, we break down why Return of the Jedi still hits so hard decades later — from Luke’s final test, to Vader’s redemption, to the Emperor’s manipulation at the throne room.
From Jabba’s Palace and the Sarlacc Pit to the battle on Endor… and yeah, we go there on the Ewoks debate too. We go scene by scene through the film and unpack what actually makes this movie so powerful… and so divisive.
🔍 What we break down:
- Why Luke might be closer to the dark side than people realize
- Whether Vader was holding back the entire time
- Why the Ewoks might be the most underrated fighters in Star Wars
- And how the throne room scene still stands as one of the greatest endings in movie history
Along the way, it turns into exactly what the show does best — real conversation, real debate, and the kind of breakdown that makes you see the movie differently after watching it again.
Whether you’ve always loved Return of the Jedi or still think Empire is untouchable… this episode might change how you see the entire trilogy.
🚀 So here’s the real question:
Is Return of the Jedi actually the best movie in the original trilogy?
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And don’t dodge it — pick your #1 and defend it.
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The Real Reason Jedi Hits Different
TomReturn of the Jedi is the only Star Wars movie where the hero almost becomes the villain and wins because he doesn't.
LouLive from Crawford Studios.
KenyWhat's good?
TomWhat's going on?
KenyI love this shit, bro.
Jabba’s Palace And The Rescue
TomSo we are doing episode six. Yep. Return of the Jedi. This is going to be our Star Wars rewatch marathon or series, I guess you would say. Right. So this is going to be part three. And the next one we will be doing will be going to the prequels, starting with Phantom Menace. So this one is Return of the Jedi. So, you know, this movie, we're going to try to go scene by scene with this movie as best as we can. Right. So this one is going to be, you know, so this is so the next, like, they they're broken up pretty much into three acts, right? So act one, you would say, is like, you know, jab the hut, Job of the Hut, the Sarlax scene, right? Right. So this movie, I think, is is, you know, this is like where you, you know, the droids are out in the desert.
KenyRight. That's what uh C3PO and R2 D2 are walking to come into Job of the Hut's um lair, right? Yeah, and they get in and they stay, they're trying to negotiate. Yeah. For they send them video, right? Right. Yeah. These are my droids. These are my droids, yes. You may have them and da-da-da, and we want Han Solo back and yada yada. And then that's when uh was like, well, D won't go with no.
TomYeah, now he's got the droids in service. Yeah, yeah.
KenyNow he's like, yeah, we're gonna keep the droids and you know, no anything.
LouWhich of course. But he knows that, but but Luke knows that already.
TomThat's like literally the most like criminal. It's like literally the most mob boss of the galaxy. Not like of the city, of literally of the galaxy. His family comes from like a whole crime syndicate. But like he's like the most notorious one, right? Right, yeah, right. But the droids, of course, is gonna just gonna keep them.
KenyYeah, gonna keep the droids, and then you have to look nois. Right. And Luke No knew it, so he's giving it a shot. So then Landau comes in, right? Uh wait, no, he was there already. He was there already. He was there.
TomSo it was uh And Leah and Leia, right? And Leia comes in, right? She was already there because he had cre he had her adult and she was there. Now she's trying to get him out. So like and then she got busted. Right. And then she gets busted. Right.
LouEverybody's no one's nothing's working out. Yeah. Right. So she gets busted, right?
KenySo now the coolest, sexy. Yeah. And she's like, hey, every time he would turn around and she would say something, he would like pull on her and choke her a little bit or whatever. And she was so raw. Hilarious, bro. Yeah, but no, but Lando, like we said, was already there because he was undercover. So is she? But she got busted. She got she came in after because she, like he said, she's the bounty man.
TomSo after all she was just hanging around. Right. So after all that, then Luke has to get there anyway. Right. He had to, right.
KenyShe almost did it too, bro. She almost got it because she was there.
TomAnd let's not forget that like uh he's down there in in the uh in the dungeon pit. Right. And he ends up killing the creature. And then you see the uh his trainer come out crying like he lost his dog, that dog or something. Yeah, exactly.
LouBut yo, so this movie, I swear. This it was crazy. It was off the hook. You know, Job of the Hut Man. But when they get to the part where they're out in the desert already by that time, it's almost like as if he knew it was gonna happen out that way, anyway. Like well, you know, R2 was at the right place to shoot the lightsaber, the lightsaber into the sky. He gets it, right? The sleigh lives does whatever.
KenyUm if I'm getting that correct. Not yet. You move too fast. Oh no, I'm sorry, did you say you said when he went to the desert? Because he didn't do it in the desert. Yeah, because when Luke came in, right, he tried to he said whatever, and it was the rancor.
LouAnd then she's too shot it up in the air and he didn't.
TomAnd the rancors are kind of interesting uh creatures. They're actually from uh they are from Dathmir, which is the planet that is Darth Malls from the pre-create and the Dathmira wishes, if you really want to get into the expanded universe of Star Wars. But that's so there, it's like uh this planet that's like, you know, like wishes are from and rocks and shit. That like a rancor is from Dath Mirror. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can picture them out there just chilling. Yeah, so like, you know, he's got that whole so Job of the Huss world, he's got that whole like crime lord energy, you know. That his whole palace, it's so it's interesting, right? His whole palace is all set up weird. You know, it's got he's got like all these, like, I guess like just he's like entertainment going 24-7 on his palace. Like a big party based on 24-7. And he chills.
Luke’s Jedi Shift And The Rancor
KenyHe's there and he like he's passed out and shit, yeah, laid out, and everybody else is doing whatever they're doing and having good. He's probably high on spice. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Because that's what he was always trying to smuggle. That's what his uh thing was. So the spice step in it's his own stash. The Jabba the Hutt. Oh, yeah. That was his thing. That was the drug, so he would get the spice. And they had a matter of fact, a few episodes, sidebar, kind of sad, but it's still Star Wars, in the Bad Batch. That was a few times that they were trying to get uh that they had come across Jabba or just other criminal families trying to get the spice because the spice was what they used to get high and shit. Yeah, fucking crazy.
TomSo yeah, so so then you finally get Luke's arrival, right? Right, yeah. So like he goes and he's and and you know, now he's see this is the difference between this movie. When he he comes in, he's got full Jedi vibes. Yeah. There is no you you know, like in the fur in the first two movies, well, the first definitely not the first movie, he was still kind of farm boy and trying to. Empire Strikes Back. I mean, uh even Empire Strikes Back, he's still trying to figure himself out. Like when he goes in there, you can see he's confident.
KenyYeah, now he's like, yeah, now I know how to do this shit. Yeah. Because you know he's not ready around. Right. Yeah, you're right.
LouHe has the full he feels in one. He has one with the force.
TomAnd it's interesting because so calm, but he kind of does look dark, right? Because he's got the black on, which is like typically, which is not like typical Jedi.
KenyWell, that's what the whole idea was, because he was still trying to figure out light he was doing, right? Right, because he still was unsure because of, you know, he still had his anger, you know, he wasn't being he wasn't surrounded anymore by that by everybody telling him what to do so much. You know what I'm saying? Like Obi-Wan was like, you know, hey, this is what you gotta do. You're the one, that kind of shit. You know what?
TomI'm gonna say I'm gonna say that without without the evil part, it's a hot take. He's kind of acting like Vader a little bit. You know what the way his he's carries in car carries himself? Not in nothing. No, no, no. Like he's gonna go start forcing. Yeah, no, no, no, no. But he was like the way he carried himself.
KenyYeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm gonna have to agree with that, bro. He's like he did, because he came in like yeah. Kind of dark. I like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's true, that's true. And then we said then they you know, they catch him. He goes, they send him down to the rancor. Yeah, he fights it, yeah, he fucks it. Wins. Good. But now they say, oh, it's trainer cries. We holler. Then Job was like, yeah, we're taking him out. They cuff him. Yep. And that's when they take everybody else to rank on that thing, and that's when he went bananas, you know, out. He knew also that architect.
TomSince we are doing the rewatch, we assume anyone else might be listening as a rewatch. But if you watch the Boba Fett series, you get to see how close the Rancor trainer really is to the Rancors and how like how you see like they're yeah, like they're like Family for them. They're like, but the the the the thing is is like they're actually friendly when they're bonded. Right. They're not like vicious, they're they're like super, you know, so it's interesting. That's why you kind of see why that the trainers cries like that. Like so like devastated and you're like, that's kind of such a like a funny scene.
LouBut then you kind of it makes sense.
KenyYeah, well, it's just pet different culture. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just pet. He trained them. Yeah, they have a body.
TomBut they do this is their heritage, they get kind of like you know, like losing a pet. Like the same kind of so that's why the trainer cries like that. So it gives you that good background.
KenyYeah, dude, yeah, hell yeah. But I mean, movie, you know, when it's almost like you just you just gave the kill signal to the you know to you know, when you have like attack dogs or training dogs, whatever, you know, police dogs and shit, you have that one word and it goes after the same thing with the rancors. So now you got Job of the Hutt.
TomHe's got his cruiser out there in the desert and the Sarlac. So out there you got Boba Fett. Yeah, Boba Fett's out there. Boba Fett's out there. Because you know what it is? I think that's the thing too. What happened Boba Fett's just hanging? I guess what happened after he delivered Han Solo, the Job of the Hutt was like, hey, you want to hang out with me for a while? I got a good going, and Boba Fett's just like, yeah, sure, so are you? Or or maybe hired him as a bodyguard. Because that's the thing that I was kind of confused about. That but what was he doing?
KenySo he's kind of he's a so he was a bounty from but right, but he's a so Boba Fett being the bounty hunter, yeah, he would go out and collect, so he was almost like the muscle for Jabba. Yeah, he was smart as well. So that then he would turn around and you know, you know, I need Han Solo, go bring him back to me because he owes me money, you know? Right. And then if you looked at half the people that were there in Jabba's palace and hanging out, all those crazy guys, people, they were the bounty hunters. Yeah, yeah. They were the ones, you know, they were he had an army of the.
TomSo he just so it's his thing like, hey, come hang out with me and party with me until shit happens. Yeah, no, no.
KenyAlmost, almost, yeah. That's like I said, he was just a muscle. You're like, yo, listen, you know, this guy owes me whatever, go and get my shit. Yeah, because that because he delivered Han Solo and it took him a while. So Boba Fett was just there.
Sarlacc Pit Escape And Boba’s Fall
TomHe followed him, man. He just stayed and yeah, yeah. So so yeah, so they go out on the cruiser to the Sarlac Pit, right? Yep. So you got that whole that whole crew there, right? Yep. So like what is the um the what do you call it? The plan? No, so like, so like eventually sorry, I I got a little so Leia gets so Leia actually is the one who uh kills Job of the Hut. She means Yeah, with the chain. Right, with the chain, right? She chokes him up. Right.
LouThat was that was behind them and she throws that chain right over.
TomLike a self-liberation moment, right?
KenyYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, bro. She she no, she didn't rush it. She waited for the right moment. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. So everything was going on is so yeah, whenever you're gonna go. Luke says, you know, wait for my signal. You know what I mean? And then that's when he turned around and like you said, he gets to the plank. Right. He turned around and he drops, but he's on the air. You know, R2, R2 like, 'cause Luke R2 had the uh the lightsaber, shoots it up into the air, does his little boom, bounces off of the grabs it? The the thing. He like cuts his cuts the uh boom boom boom boom, starts shooting, you know, when they start shooting him, then that's when they uh when what's his name? Uh Lando Carissian. Right. He turned around and now he's shooting back and he's helping him. And Han started to fall in and almost falling. Chewy, right, Chewy like pulling him back up and shit. Just pull me up, you stupid fur ball. Yeah, doing that shit. Yeah, that would and that was cool. Who was it that aimed the the uh the the the guns to the was that Luke as he was coming around and one night, he took the guns and he aimed them at the He turned the gun, well, so did Leah.
LouRight.
KenyTo the deck and they blew that shit up. And then by that time, that's who came and picked them up? Oh no, they jumped into the other uh the other glider thing. Yeah. Yeah, that was that was the super the speeder. I'm sorry, into the speeder. They were out. Listen, that was an exciting scene for that one. So when that movie opened it like that, yeah. Yeah, to that was in the first.
TomWeaving through the trees at breakneck speed. Yes. Well that was later on. That was a good thing. That was uh that was the there was an famous audiobook, and and that that was the uh uh it's funny because like at the audiobook they used to say they're weaving through the trees at breakneck speed. Yeah. It was this audiobook and have you ever heard of um what the hell is it uh but there's a rapper, he was like an underground rapper. What's his name? Oh my god.
KenyNo, still a move.
TomDoctor Doom or something like that.
KenyNo, no, no, no, no.
TomBut yeah, so anyway, um now they go for they they you know, he uh Luke had the lightsaber hidden in R2. Right two shoots the lightsaber out, he gets out there, yeah, takes care of it. That's so the so you got that scene with Leah Leah is choking chokes out um Jabba the Hutt. Jabba Hut Jabba Hud's dead, kills Jabba the Hutz. So then Boba Fett, man, what a you know, for such a great warrior, such a lame death, he just like tumbles in and goes into the sodlack pit. Yeah, which of course he doesn't die, but you know, we assume at that point when people saw the movie. No, he didn't. Well, well, if you watch the Fett series, he got out. He got out. But we assume he died. Right.
KenyPeople took it. Yes, right. Yes, that's right. Because that's right. It came up in the Mandalorian. We knew how to use that stick that they used. I totally forgot about that. You didn't watching the movie, bro.
TomAgain, I forgot about that. For the most part, people see in this movie just assume he was dead. They were kind of on a lot, they kind of brought him back to that story. Bye-bye. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so you know, he's gone, you know, so they get out, you know, they they he's he's out, you know. Every and you know, like I said, it was smart that Luke had the lightsaber hidden in R2. Yeah. Got that out and he took care of business. Yeah.
KenyWell, because again, this is his confidence. Right. Because now he's actually using the force. Now he's a Jedi. Yeah, he's good. He's actually able to fight back and do all that stuff. You know, he was yeah, he was 100% with that shit, bro. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm lying. To me, he was more like at a 85-90% because he still wasn't using the force the way that he could have.
LouWell, he don't speak to.
Yoda’s Farewell And Obi-Wan’s Truth
KenyWell, yeah. So then now, and then so now they get up in the plane, then into the plane. Ha ha. He gets into his X-Wing Fighter, everybody else got into the um Millennium Falcon. Right. And then that's when he went to go see Yoda. Right, and Yoda dies in that scene. Right. Yeah. And then uh It was good though. Yeah. It was it was it was it was good because you know, Luke went to go see him, and then he like, you know, talking to Yoda and Yoda telling him, you know, yeah, the force is strong with you. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah. And he says to Yeah.
Death Star II Reveal And Palpatine Arrives
TomSo the next scene you got the rebel briefing, and you have the reveal of Death Star 2. Another destruction. Yes. So this is uh a pivotal scene, and this is also the first scene that you actually see Emperor Palpatine uh in person. Uh because you only saw him through like a screen or whatever.
LouLike the Right, right, like the little hologram shape. Yeah, the hologram. I never thought of that. Wow.
TomSo that's the first time you actually see him on screen is when uh his ship is landing, and you know it's like everybody's lined up. Yeah. He's got that thing there. Like everybody is just lined up on the hangar. Yeah. Because, you know. Even the janitors were there. Yeah. Yeah, man. And the droids were there.
KenyYeah, yeah. Don't touch him. Don't shake his hand. He's a he's electric. Woogie, woogie, woogie, woogie, woogie, woogie. Yeah. Yep. And then what's his name? Uh Vader. When Vader comes down, so when Vader comes to greet him, Vader takes a knee. Yeah. That to me bugged me out.
TomYeah, that yeah, that was the first thing you were like, oh, there is someone who is way more powerful than that.
LouYeah, well, that's Vader's.
KenyBut it was almost like an equal, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't think that Vader would be taking a knee. You know, and he just knelt to him or whatever.
LouHe may have yeah, no, Palpatine probably would definitely maybe.
KenyWell, yeah, I mean, you know, now we know that he was, you know, because he had control over him, right?
LouDidn't didn't he purposely not make the suit comfortable so that he was always in he was always uncomfortable. He wasn't he was in pain when he wore that suit. You might be right. I'd be lying to you, but I knew that part of the phone. He didn't want him to be comfortable to the point where, you know, he felt good about himself as far as having his full potential. Yeah. Oh, you might be right.
KenyI've never heard that before. You the what? That Vader, the Anakin was the suit when he was made, when he got the suit made.
TomYeah, it was intentionally made uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there was needles. The the Emperor made it the Emperor purposely made it A uncomfortable, um to so it would keep him angry to keep the dark side in him. Really? And he also made it like not easy to use to keep him frustrated and angry, also to weaker than the Emperor, and he purposely made it uh like weak to force to electric. So Yeah, I didn't know that. So like But that's the thing is, and that that's when the Emperor stopped. So the rule of two is is and the whole point of the rule of two with the Sith is so to distill the um the the Sith. Like each the Sith ma uh apprentice has to kill their master. So like you are become stronger and stronger each generation because you have to you have to become more powerful than your master and kill the master. So if the apprentice keeps coming, so every time there's another one, they become stronger, right? So but he made the apprentice too weak to kill him, so he broke the rule of two. Right. So it kind of punched. That's that he's not like no longer really following the Sith. Yeah, right. He's kind of going rogue.
KenyYeah, well, bro. Yeah. He wanted to take over everything, you know what I'm saying? So he can't be the emperor if you got somebody.
TomAs as a Sith master, you're supposed to teach your apprentice everything you know, and then your apprentice is worthy enough to kill you, they will kill you. Right. But he took that out if you make your apprentice weaker than you, you know.
LouSo Yeah. Yeah, well at that point. Well, he knew what he needed out of him, so he he manipulated that. Yeah, yeah. And kept him at the spot where he needed him, so he knew he could keep him. Right. Right. Yeah. But it didn't work when he s you know, say the son. Right, yeah, because you had to. Yeah, but that's they ran the movie.
TomSo spoiler alert. So yeah. So the next scene, and now Luke leaves for Dagaba. Right. Right. He gets to Dagaba, he's Yoda's Yoda's dying. Yeah. So what, he's like a thousand years old now by the time or something like that. He's close, he's pushing 900. Right.
KenyYeah, yeah. Dude, yeah.
LouImagine.
KenyYeah. I do, I do, I can. That's why I said I want to be a sideboard. Whatever, that's another good episode.
TomSo, you know, and he's just teaching him all he knows with the force and trying to instill the best in him, right?
KenyYeah, yeah, because he that Luke still needs that. But that's when Luke finds out that he that the force is that death isn't the end. That the now the force is always there. The journey has just begun. Right, because that's where Obi-Wan and such a mortal odds thing.
LouSo when you think of two, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of the way that they think too. Like even though you may get to a certain level, right? You know, you're right back at white belt again.
KenyMm-hmm.
LouYeah. It kind of started over again.
TomYeah. Uh he talks to Obi-Wan as a ghost. I think it's the first time he talks to Obi-Wan. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. First time he saw that.
LouAnd of course, you know, like I love how he's like, he's like, you lied to me. He's like, well, technically I told you the truth. Because he stopped becoming Darth Vader after he became or he after he became Darth Vader. His former self seems to say, so I was technically Tabla. Come on. That is like some shady shit. Like he had to. Yeah, yeah.
KenyBecause he saw what happened to Anakin to become Darth.
TomAnd he confirmed that, yeah, Vader is your father. Vader is Anakin Skywalker, basically.
KenyYeah. And that's what I'm saying. So that then that's where he saw that. You know what I mean? Yeah. I guess it's a moral gray area line to the moral gray area. Well, no, because if I show you the light now, would you say it's a moral gray?
LouNo, I think it's just really more teaching you a lesson, reminding you that just not everything is is Was Lbi Wan wrong?
TomOr you think he should have kept it like secret? Should have should have like you think he was wrong for not telling?
LouTelling Luke that Vader was his father. Yeah, I think he probably should have, but I understand why he didn't. Because he didn't want to hurt the kid. He didn't think he was ready for it, I'm sure, at the time. And then when he heard it, he heard it from the person he needed to hear it from.
KenyWell, yeah. Part of a person. Yeah. You know, that he told him how he told him. Because if he would have told him that time I think he needed to tell him that way. Right at that point, right. Yeah. Because if he would have told think about it, bro, if he would have told him sooner, if he would have turned him on and said it sooner. Not that so much he would have freaked out, he would have been on a on a saber hole thing.
TomOr he could have been like, maybe I should go to the dark side.
KenyNo, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think he would stay to the light side. But I think he would've like I said, I think he would have just tried to go and save his father. Rather than battle him, yeah, like dad, dad, you know what I mean? And it would change of, you know, he wouldn't be there.
TomMaybe. Maybe I mean could have been. Yeah. He almost did, too. Yeah. But he got out of it.
KenyRight, yeah.
LouRight. Yeah. But then he called Leia and then they turned around, came back and got him. Yeah. And then Yeah, because then after that.
Endor Mission And The Ewoks
TomSo yeah, so they're on Endor, right? Right. Because they're definitely. And Luke kind of turns himself in or whatever to Vader.
LouYo, Dad, guess who came to dinner? Right. He's here.
KenyYeah, yeah. And because he knew when he got there, he knew that that uh father was gonna be there, that that Vader was gonna be there. He's coming, or whatever.
LouAnd people knew they would show they were on the planet already before they're talking about.
TomAnd you know, this is like I I have to say, I think the scene when they're still on Andor and he's talking to Vader on that platform. Right, he's talk I'm Anakin's bleeding through at that point. Yeah. I really do think he is. I think when when when when he's talking to him, he's like, It's too late, I can't. Like that's not Vader. That's not Vader talking. Yeah, no, no. That's Anakin cracking through. Yeah, definitely. I think so. Yeah. And he's like, you know what I mean? He's he's telling him, like, there's I don't have a choice. Like, you know, I think he it's really this is this is when the cracks are forming, I think. Right. I really do think that conversation he has with him beforehand and saying, like, I will not fight you or whatever, he's like, you know, and he's like, Oh well he's like, they bring up so he brings he brings him to the Death Star, which is yeah, which is kind of crazy. You're bringing the person who destroyed the first Death Star on this Death Star. Right.
KenyYou could turn him.
unknownRight.
TomYou know what I'm saying? He's Jedi now.
LouYeah.
TomSo you have complete your dream.
LouRight. Exactly. Obi Wan has taught you well.
TomAnd Palpatine thought he he said that was the whole plan, you know, was he goes, I think I can turn him, so that's why they bring him.
KenySo it happened a little late, but fuck it.
TomYeah, so yeah, try and leave the e-woks out, bro.
LouYou gotta talk about it. They drive those crazy bikes and then. Well, first of all, they think C3PO is their god.
KenyTheir god, which is fucking hilarious. Like, yeah, because he was talking to them. He actually He knew the language.
TomYeah, because he's uh protocol droid.
LouHe speaks a million different languages. He's like, there's so many different dialects from this one line.
KenyWhat? Yeah, that was so great. Like, fucking great, bro. No that shit. Yeah, yeah. Telling the story. That was so fucking great. Yeah. That movie was great.
TomSo go ahead. Yeah. So that's so that's part of the you know the the shield generator mission. Right. Because Ewoks are on the planet Andor. Right. They didn't the planet. They didn't count for those. That's the planet where so the the this time the uh the Empire was smarter is they got a shield generator to to shield the Death Star, but the shield generators on the planet. So they had to build the Death Star right next to the planet. Right, right. The shield generator so no one can attack the Death Star while it's being built. Right, right. Because, you know, they learned their lesson with the first one.
LouSo it's natural. It's it's smart on their part.
TomRight, right, right. You know, but of course the the rebels. The rebels are gonna figure that shit out. That's what they did. So they got down there. It's a trap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's later on.
KenyYeah, yeah. That's what they were all there, right? Because that's after they did that.
TomThat's a famous uh meme. It's a trap. Yep. So anyway, add Black Bar. So but yeah, so they had that whole mission down there. So so I guess so, like I said, they they got down there, they start that mission, the Ewoks are down there.
LouRight.
TomUm, and they're like they're kind of like so. Are they cute or are they are they really tactical warriors? I think they're both. Yeah, they're a little bit of both.
KenyThey look like teddy bears. Right. They'll kick your ass. Well, see, here's the whole thing though. Them living there, it seems obvious well, I don't want to say obvious, but it seems that they were they knew how to protect themselves. Yeah. Because they had the spears, they had the bottle. Right.
LouHere's the thing I noticed though that I paid attention to as far as the Emperor was concerned when it comes to them. You notice that nobody counted for them really or tapped into them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were too I found that they were too pure to be really manipulated in that way because they were just in another level as far as the way they lived in their world. Right. They were already, you know what I mean? Like it was their heritage, their life. Right, right, right. You know, they there's no way that he could but he didn't figure for that because he couldn't feel that. Yeah, he didn't think that they were gonna fight back.
KenyBecause you said they look like little teddy babies. Yeah, they whatever, they got nothing on us, whatever. And guess what? Yeah, they did. Because they used all of their all of their weapons, I guess. They used the truck.
TomYeah, they were able to trip the uh S T A Ts. Yes, right, the ATs, yes.
KenyYeah, so that then, you know, like they checked, they tripped them up, they fell, was making them eat like they they came off of the trees and they fucking you know, drinking in the stores. They did the ATs, right? And you get the two trees sitting on one side each side. Yeah. So I mean he's they set up booby traps and shit all over the place, you know what I mean? And you know, you're right. Up and high boulders. Yeah, right. Yeah, remember that. Yeah. But there you go, that's the whole thing. Estimate it, you know. Right. They didn't even think of them there because they were they were basically co-habitating, you know. Find whatever, let them build whatever they're gonna build over there, as long as they're not messing around with the big thing. They were like, Yeah, they they beat the Empire with sticks and rock. Like how yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, since stolen's my friend. Yeah, and they definitely broke their bones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was funny. Well, dude, and you can't even lie. Everybody wanted to be uh still.
Star Wars Theater Nostalgia
LouYeah. That's right. What do you mean? So yeah. No, I mean it's funny how because when we start talking about something, like we get into the ERCs and then we start going to the scood, because we know the movie. How many times have you seen this movie?
TomHow many times do you think you've seen this movie in your lifetime? Oh, so many times. Yeah, I lost count. You know, it's actually the first one I've seen? I know when I've seen it? Yeah, that was the first one I've seen. And then you went back to watch the other two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My friend had a video and I never saw it.
KenyYou saw what? No, I think I saw all of them. Yeah, I know I saw all of them. I saw all of them from when they came out. Yeah, when they first came out. Remember the second one show in the theater. Yeah, nope. I know I saw all three of them in the theater. You saw both of them in Maryland. I think we spoke about this last year. Yeah, yeah, you did, yep. I saw all three of them in the theater when they first came out. So then uh went from first 18th Avenue uh movies theater over there. Yeah, the Walker Theater. Yep. Then I went to uh then I saw it in Fort Way and Alpine after that. Fort Way, Alpine, Marlboro. Yeah, I didn't go see it there.
LouUh Bell Park um Bay Parkway. Oh, is that what you saw? Yeah. No, I'm saying that I know that movie theater. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah.
KenyAll the movie theaters in Brooklyn that I went to. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I I that's why I saw the other one. I saw it right by right around the neighborhood. And every time I went, bro, every it was always packed. I never went that it wasn't. Like the lines were it was on the news. Right around the corner.
LouStood around the corner. Yeah. You waited online and you walked in and bought a ticket, and it was the most exciting thing to do. Like, especially if it was a movie you wanted to see. Right. And that was the movie to see.
KenyRight. Everybody, because I mean on the trailers, they're showing the ewaks. Like, oh my god, look at the little creatures. What? They had those m the the the speeders. So then everybody wanted like everybody's like on the motorcycle tip, you know what I mean? Everybody wanted to to get a nifty eye. And make them work, and they're coming freaking pretty close.
LouNo, because now you got the you can make them um like the uh it's amazing how sci-fi just comes to life. Yeah. Somehow, some way it's figured out eventually, you know.
KenyYou know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, like they now they have you have the drones that fly and it's you know, big ass fans that are blowing down. Right. And that's what they've put on the speeders to, you know, just the fans and just bigger fan.
LouYou know what I mean? That's what it is. What's next, my friend? I'm sorry.
Throne Room Manipulation And Duel
TomYeah, so no, no, no, no, no, no. So yeah, so we did we talked about, you know, so Luke surrendering himself or whatever. So next, I guess they bring Luke onto the Death Star. Right. Which again, like I that's crazy.
KenyYeah, dumbest shit ever. But that was their plan because they were trying to they what the second part two of the plan was to destroy the Death Star again, but this time make sure that it wasn't gonna come back. Right. So that was the idea.
TomIt was gonna be a little bit of a now you got the famous Rolling Room scene. Right. So this is where shit is really fucking going down, right? So now the funny thing is, so it starts off with like you can see the emperor, he's manipulating both Vader and Luke. Right. Yeah. The shit he's saying. Yeah what I mean. He's just he's like the ultimate manipulator.
LouYeah, right. He's uh he's a horrible person.
KenyYeah, yeah. Or whatever you want to call him. Yeah. Because he was trying to pit them against each other. Yeah, he was using it for his own uh right. Because he knew that. So I think there he could sense that Luke was stronger than Vader. Vader.
TomRight. He wants he wants Vader to defeat. He wants Luke to defeat Vader so he could take Vader on as his apprentice. Right. And I guess at that point he would have to be a real apprentice because he's there's nothing like I said, like I said I mentioned before, how he purposely made Vader's suit weak against him. So so you can't have an apprentice that can't beat you. Right. So maybe he was thinking, all right, well, maybe I'll have an apprentice that'll beat me, which I don't but then again, well, I'm getting far ahead anyway. You know, with uh I was like, well, technically he killed himself and uh but that that's why the Right Eagle trolls you. Yeah, go ahead. We won't go there yet. Well that's way, way, yeah, a couple episodes out of it. Yeah, yeah. So and this is also where like Luke actually does at one point he does snap a little bit. Like he almost He almost questioned it.
KenyYeah. He almost questioned himself, but at the same time he saw and he knew because he's looking at Vader. He's listening to what this dude is saying, and he's like, Yeah, bro, like this isn't the way to be.
LouI don't think he was cracking. I think he was more more ready to like, let's just like I'm gonna try to get take out the Emperor. I'm gonna take him out right now. He knows he can feel it, but he's trying to do it where he's getting away with it without him, but he knows it's gotta be quick and fast. He lets him get it. Okay. Him and right, he gets it, and then him all you see are two freaking lightsabers come in front of him, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right in front of him.
TomAnd that's like so symbolic of him.
KenyRight. He's manipulating. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, that's I forgot about that. I'm not gonna lie, I forgot about that. Right. That because yeah, because he kept looking and he was like, he's feeling like trying to get close. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah. Then yes. I was bugging out that douche, man. Yeah, for real. But but he ate, but you see, he had already hell yeah, bro. But he had Vader. I thought that by that point, like I I mean even when I even still, if I see that movie, I'm like you, that is where I think Anakin was, you know, was coming out, you know, bleeding out, like you said. Because, you know, he let Luke get that close. You know what I'm saying? Like he was right there, like that, mm-hmm, like he was on, he almost got him. He almost got him. If Luke would have turned around and switched up instead of doing this, but I just you know what I mean, just hit it right below, Vader would have missed. You know what I mean? And Protestant would have been done. You know, it'd have been over. But you know, he was still like, you know, don't do it. Vader blocked him from getting the emperor, right? Because that's what I'm saying. Right. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. So when Luke went like this, Luke picked up the hand came down, and then Vader blocked it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Was awesome. He, that's what I'm saying. I think that that's what Luke Vader was letting Luke, he was annequant, like, yo, that's my son. I don't want to have to kill him. I don't want to have to. Oh, you think he was like he was he wasn't he was going easy on it. Right, yeah. He was just being a little bit okay. Because think about it, bro. Everybody else, he's doing this too from a fucking this side. Yeah, you're right. Right, yeah. You know what I mean? And he would like let him get close. He was letting, you know, seeing where he was because he was letting Papertine talk shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He was like, yo, you know, come to this side. And he's like, you know, Luke, Luke, Luke, you know, uh this and this, and you could feel the power, and Obi-Wanna trained you well, and like, you know, all that kind of stuff. And you know, I think he was being super easy on Luke.
LouYou know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah. Manipulative. But I think that's what it is.
KenyNo, Vader, Vader, not, not, not Papa Team. Vader was just being easy. He was just kind of sitting back in the cut and kind of like watching, because even everything.
LouNo, remember when he threw his lightsaber at him? Because he said, I will not fight you. And he was standing on top of that. Yeah. Oh, no. He's like, I will not fight you for father. I think he's called the father at that point. Yeah, yeah. Right. He said, You are unwise to lower your just took his lightsaber and he threw it, and it hit the thing, boom, and knocked it down, and he came down with it. Right. But he still wasn't trying to kill them. It was battle, but still, he they were still going to town, bro. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. I'm saying, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, but it wasn't as good as Obi-Wan and then when he was young, like when at that level.
TomRight. Yeah. And and that's the other thing too, is um, you know, like that um like this so Palpatine finally gets him, right? So Palpatine's finally electrocuted him, and he goes, he's I refuse to, you know, turn to the dark side.
KenyRight.
TomI have to say, they did such a good job the way they directed that scene. Because even though Vader's a mask, he's got a plain face, you can't see expressions in his face. Right, but they made it go around. You can still see they could the way they cut the camera back and forth. Yeah. You could feel his expression, even though he's got a mask on and there's no facial expression. You could see that he's distraught, that his son's getting crazy. He's dying.
LouYeah. Yeah. He absorbs all that electricity does that. Yeah, that's what kills him.
TomAnd that's what kills him because Palpatine purposely made his armor leak to electric shock. Yeah. Because that was his, you know, he made it perfectly.
KenyHe threw him down that all that shaft, bro. It was a rep. So you're out, pal. Yeah, yeah.
TomThat that's I wonder why he explodes when he hits the ground, though. That's always no no.
KenyHe's just no, he hit one of the um because they were up in the watch core. It was the uh, I'm gonna say arc reactor. Iron Man. Yeah. No, he hit the I'm gonna say it was the reactor because that's what was, you know, that's what the power was before the Death Start. So he didn't like he didn't hit bottom, he just fell into the power core. Oh, so I'm saying just with the power just yeah, right, and because he was still, you know, because now he's falling and he's upset or whatever, and he's still shooting out electricity from his hands that you know, like he hit that, like yeah, like a bug, like a fucking moth to a thing. It was like a bug sapper. Yeah, like a bug zapper.
LouThat was basically just had right.
KenyThat's funny if someone cut that together as a clip. Yeah. That would actually be pretty good. Yeah. See? Yeah, exactly. But that's what now you gotta do it. Yeah, yeah, I know, right? Now you gotta find a shit for it. But that's that's what happened. So he didn't splat on anything, he just, you know, got it, got hit the bottom of that.
Vader’s Choice And Palpatine Falls
TomSo yeah, so you know, and and that's that that is the scene where Anakin finally breaks through. He breaks through and he saves his son, but unfortunately, you know. It was too late. You should not leave time, yeah. And you know, while that's happening, I need to save you. At that same moment, the Millennium Falcon is now remember that's the famous scene where they're fucking flying through the Death Star, being chased by the TIE fighters. They're fucking flying fast as fuck.
KenyUh-huh. Literally through the fucking Death Star. Pretty badass, by the way. Because who was flying? You remember what I'm saying? It was Lando. Lando was flying that bitch. Yeah. That's right. What's his name? An solo still wasn't uh was still on the planet. Yeah, that's right.
LouHe was doing all that shit. Huh? He was doing all that. Yeah, so An Solo was with Leia and everybody else on the planet. And that's where she said, that's where I remember not to cut you off, but when they're hot wiring the door to try to open it, and he says, I love you, and she says, Oh, that's right.
KenyYeah, she switched it on him. She switched it on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was before. That was before. Right. That was earlier, right?
TomWhen they made the kill shot, and you know how the fucking electric blows up at the bottom, was that the same point when they made the kill shot for the reactor? Maybe. I think so. So that that wasn't a zap, that was the reactor getting shot at the same time that Alpinine falls on.
KenyThat would be cool if you look.
TomSo what happens to Alpin?
KenyAnd there's bodies falling down. What happens to him? So that's what new that's what uh Tom is saying. So then, so when Vader picked up Palpatine and when we looked down, when they when we looked down like we were there and shit. Yeah. When the when we show him he falls down and he's like, it was probably at the same. No, it wasn't the same time.
LouNo?
KenyNo. Tom was saying that it was at the same time that Palpatine falls. While they made the catch up, it was the Millennium Falcon coming in and sh and blowing up.
TomNo, no, because it blew up blew up like right after the floor. Right, exactly.
KenyAnd they were already off the whatnot. Oh, you're right. Once it blew up, there's no way he could have got off that for you. Yeah, yeah, no. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like there was no place for him to go. But see, but then then think about if we're gonna turn around and spoiler alert, if we fast forward or fast rewind, yeah, and Leia and the other episode, episode two or three, when the um the what's called it that she was in, they blew up the the bridge and she flew out into space and she used the force to bring her back. That was in the other movies, though. Right, that's what I'm saying. But the point is that if she knew how to do that, she learned, and she wasn't like a full Jedi thing. Yeah, she didn't get blown up. She had the force. Listen to what I'm saying, bro. So then if Palpatine, when he fell down and went down there, he didn't quite die. You know what I'm saying? That he was alive, and then that he was able to actually be out in space and you know, without whatever. I said, mas me going like a little bit on that extra, you know.
Falcon Run And Vader Unmasked
TomYeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, so so so that's right. So that that started, it wasn't a kill. So I'm I'm I'm I'm ahead. Right. So anyway, so so then you got Luke, he's carrying him out, and that's the famous scene, you know. Right, right. They finally, the first time you ever see Vader on masked after. Right, yeah. Yeah. He's like, yeah, he's he's like, uh, you know, take off my helmet so I can see you with my own eyes. Yep. Right, right, right. And that scene, that very famous scene, like you said, we already have, where he's like, he's like, he's like, there's he's like, he's like, you'll die. He's like, there's nothing that can stop this now. Yeah. And then, you know, he goes, you know, he goes, I'm trying to, I'm trying to save you. And then he goes, You already have. Right. You know what I mean? So die. Right, right. Or something to that effect. Yeah. He's you already have It's like Shakespeareing, the way he spoke to it.
LouYeah, he goes, Right. Yeah, yeah.
TomLike all of a sudden he's proper. Yeah. Yeah. But but but you know, he's saying, like, you know, he already saved him, you know, that he meaning he saved him from the darkness. Right, right, right.
LouBecause the mask made him sound like, you know. That that that uh well he needed that too to survive too, because he needed all that. Right. So then when the mask is off. Right.
KenySo when the mask is off, now it's like, you know, there's nothing you know, restricting his sound, his tone, or whatever. So, you know. But yeah, and then and and it's crazy because it almost looked like so. I mean, think about it. What Anakin looked like when we see later on, when he looked like when he went into the Vader suit, right, yeah. That now when he takes it off in Return of the Jedi, he's like bloated and his skin's all funky and like just Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like think when they took the mask off of Vader, he just looked like he was just like he looked like he was deteriorating. Like he looked like Falcon.
TomWell well, that's because the Sith uh the when you're the dark side uh deteriorates you. Yeah, yeah. Actually, like that it deteriorates your body. That's why if you watch a any of the Star Wars um like uh uh like the the public power or like all those Sith guys, they all have like black under their eyes. Right, yeah. Like like Uncle Fester eyes. Right, yeah. And just like their skin's all like it's it's from the the dark side. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.
LouSo physically, technically, they wouldn't really be that strong as they would be more on the force of being able to wield the force the way they want to, you know, like they do things. Right, yeah. It's it's it's like, you know, where like someone like Obi-Wan or somebody who, you know, who's trained or like Luke. Yeah, yeah. Technically they would have the advantage physically, but probably they wouldn't have the other b because he was more experienced and he knows a lot more shit when it comes to the force. But uh yeah, so it's almost kind of even though, in a sense, you would think. Yeah, listen.
KenyUm I wish you it would have been cool if just I mean, almost like a no on a what if to see if if Darth Vader would have survived. Yeah. You know what I mean? I know. Just a quick shortcut. They have that scenario.
LouI've seen that scenario. I've seen that on a lot on the things we follow now on Instagram where they show him where he's wearing this like crazy like uniform. Yeah. His head is a little deformed, okay, but he goes around like he's like some kind of warrior now or who's trying to correct things stuff. And if I'm not mistaken, is that wrong or is it? I don't know.
TomThere's a lot of people who've done rewrite stories, so there's a lot of fanfics. That would be interesting to see an alternate universe. But I saw I saw one where like basically like uh like Luke has to put him into hiding right away because like the the the the rebels want him like it wasn't dead because he's responsible for billions of people's.
LouYeah, literally. Like you know what I mean. Right. And how do you forgive somebody for that? Oh well now he's all better now. Yeah, no, and sorry, Kate. Yeah, yeah.
Ending Celebration And Force Ghost Debate
TomThe Death Star gets destroyed, right? Right. So like they they they take that kill shot out. He makes it to the planet. Um so you know, the Empire falls, basically. Right where you see all these ships and stuff, right, and stuff. And uh, you know, they do the famous song at the end, dude.
KenyYeah, yeah, yeah. They show all the planets, everybody's celebrating. Fireworks come up and that's when Luke tells Leia that that uh he's her brother. Yeah.
TomRight.
KenyAnd then you see the force ghosts of Obi-Wan and Oda and and like Anakin.
TomAnd they which they changed because it originally showed uh what's the actor's name? The original actor who who you saw on the last movie. Right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. But they somebody, yeah. But then they switched it to um To Anakin. To Hayden Christensen. Because he played the part. Which makes sense with continuity, I think, because that's the last light side. I know there's a that's a big debate, by the way. So uh anyone watching this, what do you think? You think they should have left it with uh the original actor or they should have had it with the new actor?
LouI know they want to get the originality of it and try to get as close to what the person's supposed to look like. Yeah. But if he's already at that point, he should probably look that way. Yeah.
TomYou know what I thought was cool what someone did for continuity? They that someone used CGI to make put Hayden Christensen in the scene where he's like, you already have it look good. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, for continuity purposes, I get changed it.
KenyBut I'm gonna say we're no. But no, no. But why are we gonna why would you say but no? Because I'll tell you mine.
TomNo, I would say that for them to change it. I would I I know people would be like, Oh, you can't because it's the OG. No, bro. Why?
KenyBecause they have Yoda, old, just before he died. Right. You had Obi-Wan old just before he died. But I'm saying, but when the force at the end of Return of the Jedi, that they all came back in the spirit. Yeah. But I'm saying is that they didn't have them young. They left them old.
LouOh, they left them the way they looked when they're just before he passed.
KenySo I think that's the way it should be. Right. That's the only reason why I'm saying leave, you know, leave Anakin old because that's what he looked like just before he died. Right. That's why I would be able to do that.
LouBecause he aged and he did get old. Because if Obi-Wan old aged and he was old, then honestly, now Anakin was a few years old, Anakin was younger than him when he was a man. Well, the interesting thing is technically he'd still be old.
TomWell, you know, he's at the perfection now, he's in his mid-40s, Hayden Christensen. That's how old Vader is supposed to be, but the actor who played him was like another.
KenyBut again, because like we just like you were just saying before, here it is that the that the dark side of the force aged them. Yeah. Or aged so that then he would that's why I think no.
LouI agree. I think I agree. I think it should be left alone. Yeah. And then he just you you when you're watching the movies before it's just how he looked when he was did this, this and that. It's like right when after time he burned first of all, he caught on fire, lost his fucking limbs. Yeah. Right? Right. Then this guy put him together in this freaking I don't know. Well, I still forgot.
TomPain ages you. Yeah. Hate ages you. Right. So, but yeah, but I would still continuity purposes, put Hayden Christmas in there, just make him look aged. I for continuity purposes.
KenySo no, then make him look like what he looked like just before Palpatine picked him up. Like after he fought Obi-Wan, he was burnt up, his eyes were red. Make him look more that then. You know what I'm saying? If that's, you know, if you really want to switch up and bring it up, I still like the idea of him looking the the other old. But so how much more do we have left of the end of which I think that was the end of it? Because we're at the end. We're at the end anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are at the end.
Prequels Next And Closing Thanks
TomSo yeah, so like that's why it's a good movie. I think it's uh Return of the Jedi, I think, out of the original trilogy is the best one, in my opinion. Some people might debate me about New Hope, or maybe Empire people think Empire is the better one. I like Return of the Jedi. That's my favorite. Yeah, that's mine too. Um yeah, so now we're gonna go into the prequels. Right. So stay tuned. Episode one. We're gonna start with episode one fan menace. Which, I mean, it has its its pluses and mind positives and negatives.
LouI know people are gonna be like, well, what about George Harbinks?
TomBut you know, it's a George Harbings. I think it's a world builder, it's a world building. First of all, the movie's a world builder. So like we gotta look at it from the lens of whatever. We'll talk about it. It's a world builder. So we'll get into it. But uh I love the prequels. I really love the prequels.
LouYeah. So I'm gonna be happy to do that. I wasn't too crazy about him, to be honest with you. But I like the first two. I love them. I like the last one. That is the best one.
TomThe Range of the Sith is the best one. My personal. Before we get ahead of ourselves, because we'll have plenty of time to talk about it, but my personal opinion is uh Episode three is the prequel, and episode one and two are prequels to the prequel. Right. Like they have to exist in order to tell those three. Exactly. Episode three is the real movie. Yeah. Right. So anyway, but that's my opinion.
LouNow you know why things happen the way they happen. Right, yeah, exactly. So yeah, I'm digging it's all good. Oh, we wanted no, you said yeah, you were wrong. Now you can't now I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was it. I got the hired round.
KenySo don't do it with me. So with that, thank everybody for listening, watching, being with us. So like, subscribe, comment, all that other good stuff. Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, YouTube, yep. Find us on everything. But thank you for listening. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And may the forest be with you.
LouYeah, stop. I'm gonna do it right now. I'm stop.