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Alien Abductions, Missing Time, And Theories From The Deep
The lights are out, the questions are loud, and we’re diving headfirst into the most unsettling corner of the paranormal: alien abductions. From missing hours on lonely highways to secret tapes and shared memories under hypnosis, we trace the stories that shaped modern UFO lore—and the older clues hiding in plain sight. Why do classical paintings show figures pointing at strange objects in the sky? How did a small New England drive turn into the blueprint for abduction claims worldwide? And what happens when multiple witnesses, decades apart, describe the same rooms, the same beings, and the same electric hush?
We unpack the landmark cases—Betty and Barney Hill, the Allagash Incident, Travis Walton, and Pascagoula—looking for the common threads and the parts that refuse to fit. Then the theories collide. Are the grays extraterrestrials with cold bedside manner, or are they us from a sun-starved future, slipping through wormholes to reclaim what our genome lost? If sightings moved from skies to seas, are underwater craft hiding where our sensors fall short? And where do ancient sites, ley lines, and the “portal” idea fit when cultures across continents carve the same shapes into stone?
As the conversation opens up, so does the tech. We talk about pilot-reported UAPs, the slow thaw of government secrecy, and the unnerving overlap between rapid advances in AI and long-running whispers of “borrowed” science. The ethics stay front and center: even with the most generous motives, abduction is a violation; trauma demands respect. Still, curiosity pulls at the thread—because if visitors are here, whether from distant stars or a timeline not yet lived, understanding what they want might be the most human thing we can do.
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SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yes. Welcome. Yes. Ah, ah, ah, ah.
SPEAKER_01:So we're here to continue on our Halloween theme for the month. Yes. I thought that I thought that, you know, abductions was a good one.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So we had touched on this once before. Right. Right. So then it is cool because it is that spooky, that eerie. It is. It is spooky, man. Of of uh things that well, people being abducted, alien stuff. If it happens on Halloween. Well, so now. So I'm gonna tell you we look at how far back that it that aliens, supposed aliens, have been on coming to visit us and the uh what's called there you go. That's what I'm talking about. Fucking A, bro. Holy shit. You know? Oh yeah. And we have our our guest again today. Mom's protege. Yes, yes, yes. Chilling with us. Yep. His eyes are open, he's in there. Isn't he handsome? It'd be fucking great if you could talk. But yeah, so you know, how far back that we really look at alien abductions, alien visitation. Well, they go as far well, I'm sure they go back even farther than we have recorded.
SPEAKER_01:Right, exactly. Yes. But from what we know, I think it's like the probably from the 30s up, possibly. The abductions. Okay. Not abductions, but how alien sightings and things like that. Again, that but abductions maybe later on. Right.
SPEAKER_00:But maybe earlier, because like you just said, it could have been early in time that we don't even know about. Because we look at what all of the of tribes is what I'm going to call them around the planet that have always called them gods. You know what I mean? So then, you know, how far back? We look at, well, we now, if we look at some of I don't know if I ever said this to you, some of Da Vinci's drawings, his paintings, Van Gogh and stuff. If you look in the background, there are usually people in the background that are looking and pointing up to something that he drew up in the top. So it's not like just a bird, it's like some spot, some different type of figure. Some disc or something like that. Like, you know, some flying object is up in a lot of you know of their paintings and stuff like that. So, you know, again, like you said, that's before the 30s, you know, before the 30s and 40s, because like what was it? It's now this one I know I've I've heard this a whole bunch of times in 61. Barney and Betty Hill, that was the couple that they were driving on the road, right? And they lost, what is it, how many hours of we wouldn't have an exact number, but like two or three hours of their time that they lost. You know, driving back to the city. Two hours missing, two hours missing.
SPEAKER_01:From memory, Betty Betty's dress was torn and stained. Yep. And Barney's shoes were scuffed under hypnosis, both describe being taken aboard a craft, examined by small gray beings, and some shown start map that matched the Zella Reticule system. I'm probably not pronouncing it correctly. The a constellation unknown to them at that time. Right. Or the time. So then now you I mean, think about it, bro. That's crazy, man. You that you first no, you first, you first I heard a thing. I was watching something where they said that grays, which are actually the taller ones. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Right? Are well they can continue to grow, I think is what happens with them, if I'm not mistaken. Something weird happens. Right. Are supposed to be us after time, we progress to that. And now we're coming back to try to fix whatever it is that they effed up on. Yeah. But from what I understand, they don't have the same compassion or sense to the point where they have no if they hurt you or whatever, you don't give fucked. Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, just enough to keep you hypnotized if you will. Yeah. Kind of some kind of submissive. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and that's what I'm saying. So that again, so are aliens really visitors from another planet? Are they just us in the future time traveling? You know what I mean? So it's us on another planet that are trying time traveling back to get us. Or portaling through somehow. So that now that was um uh I'm glad you brought that part up. So what I've like said.
SPEAKER_01:Because it's impossible to get moved that fast, even that fast, if you can, you gotta be able to open something up and go through and end up someplace else.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. Yeah. So however it is, whatever like time travel or or wormhole or whatever it is that they have, is that they're getting here. So now, the other thing that I had heard in uh another show that I was watching, I'm you know, again, between ghost hunters or ghost hunting shows and and the alien shows, bro, listen, it's it's insane. I get it. So that one of the conversations that I heard was that you don't hear about as many abductions anymore because we are not of as strong, I guess our genes, you know, or our immune systems and stuff like that aren't as strong now in like say like the 2000s as they were back in the day, you know, when we were 30s, 40s, even back to, you know, whatever tribes are running around on the planet and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:70s and 80s we were.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. But I'm just saying, like these are things like you know, we've not we don't want to. Right. But I'm just saying, like we don't have like now it's almost like we're tainted. We're not as pure, if you will, as we used for whatever it is that they're looking for. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I mean? Right. So that's it.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe they're missing a I think I saw something on that where they say there's a genome that they're missing that they need. Right. We're not at that level yet where they can use it because we're too still not not evolved enough enough or something for that.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I'm saying. It's that then, you know, we they didn't find it in the old ones, so right now they seem to be taking a pause, and then they'll be back, you know, yeah. They keep checking on 30, 40 years.
SPEAKER_01:And if they're doing that, it's not because they're traveling. There's no way. I just can't believe that anymore. It has to be something else. Because they're saying that now that wormholes may exist, and if they do, it's actually what's holding the galaxy, the fabric of space together, I should say.
SPEAKER_00:Well, but then why wouldn't it be logical for them to travel back and forth?
SPEAKER_01:Only because But if they're using those kind of things, then that's more like a portal in this sense.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and but then don't forget, people still see people still see the the UFOs. They see the underwater ones, they see, you know, all the other things that are happening, so that then it's still plausible that they might just be here on the planet. Right. You know, that they're living living in that deepest depths in the of the oceans and the seas and you know, and and all these other things. So you never know. They could be water thing is cool too, because you they they gotta be under there, man. I mean, it's just it makes sense. Especially if you're seeing more so now, you know what I mean? Well, think about how we turn around and us as humans, how we sit in space, you know, we have our astronauts and they're in space for six months at a time. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. So then why wouldn't aliens, you know, these alien figures that they wouldn't be coming in and they're doing six months at a time, you know, a year at a time being here. That's their mission. I don't even know if they even Yeah, I see what you're saying for a certain amount of time. Right, and then they go back and then they send the next, you know, the next shift, you know, over. What happened, bro? I'm just checking out.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, you just look at that.
SPEAKER_00:He didn't go nowhere, he didn't move, you know. But yeah, and you know, so and then what's the other one? The Alagash. Four college student friends, four college friends went camping in Maine and saw a strange glowing object over the lake. They signaled it with a flashlight, and it's sudden, then suddenly the light moved toward them. The men woke up later at their campsite, unable to remember what happened. Years later, under hypnosis, they all described being taken aboard a craft and examined by beings with large heads, black big black eyes, and their stories all match almost perfectly. Perfectly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that was decades later. You know what I'm saying? So they're hypnotized, you know, to try to get to block out whatever it is.
SPEAKER_01:Whatever it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because then this because they don't even know.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just saying. And do you think it's the same thing we were talking about in reference to the episode we did where we talked about hauntings where they said that the the uh entity is somehow singling you out because of the vibe that you give off or something you file like do the aliens or they just random, you think, and just do what they want because they don't care.
SPEAKER_00:That's a hard one.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think? Maybe both.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, maybe both. Because I mean, if you think about where people see and or have heard, like people that say that they know that they uh my grandmother used to, you know, she felt when a ghost was around. You know, my great-grandmother, my great-great-great, my great-great-grandfather, my this, my third, all those ancestors that you know were shamans or they were the priests of the village or whatever the case may be. Yes, my lineage is this and the third for yada yada religions or whatever the case may be. Maybe that the aliens are following that line, that bloodline. You know what I'm saying? Right. Never know. Because again, if it's what I'm saying, and then, you know, about them looking for the purest gene code that then that would, you know, that they're trying to find or follow a particular gene code, you know, that's their study. That's what they're thinking, that's what it is. Ten generations of this particular gene. We have to wait, they're not ready yet. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, which is kind of weird. It is that's really what's happening, you know. That's that's kind of strange. Yeah, I mean, again, no. I I think I think definitely there's this other life in other places. It's just a matter of the problem is getting there. So, but yes, I do believe there are other other uh living forms of life.
SPEAKER_00:So dig it. They say that we don't know, well, we don't we don't see, can't see from right here sitting outside looking out. We can't see the back the dark side of the moon. No. So that then, of course, conversations between movies, you know, all the time. Behind there and all that. It's on the dark side of the moon. Right. You know what I mean? There are places on Mars that they say, oh, that looks like that was, you know, a particular uh you know, certain formation or all that a pyramid, you know, a fissure that just seems super huge. You know what I mean? Maybe they've been here, maybe they were here, maybe they are here, you know? There's always still left. Exactly. And they never left, bro. How many movies haven't we seen where the aliens are still here? Right. We go way back in the day, you had V. And that they were the ones that they had. The original show on TV. Yep. So V was a show where the aliens were like lizards, like they had like a lizard skin. And eventually had sex with one of our own. And then that was the mixed. And the lizard baby came born out. Yeah, and then that turned into a whole other. That was the next three seasons after that. Yeah. But that they were wearing human face masks, not human skin. It was like they had the mask, you know, they look real enough. And they looked real enough that people didn't know until they kind of started to talk to them, and it was like a nerd kind of guy, not a nerd, like just a super straight and narrow guy. Like, no, we do not understand what you mean. And then they would like you would see their eyes like have the lizard.
SPEAKER_01:They knew they were aliens, but they didn't know they were they were lizards. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. They thought they were just from another country, not from another planet or another whatever. Wherever. You know, then you had there was a movie called Them with Ron uh Roddy Roddy Piper that you put in the city.
SPEAKER_01:That was great with the glasses. Yeah. And it and you could see what's actually being on. The signs have uh and all the messages and things that you don't see because it's subliminal.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So then now you just think about like they say, there's always not always, but that was great. That one to me was like to me, that was like, that's kind of how it would probably happen. But then now, how many aliens are really here? Now we fast forward 50 years and we got men in black. Right. So now you have men in black where there's actually you know secret government office hidden somewhere in the bottom of the city somewhere. It's actually in all over. They had stations, you know, or precincts, whatever you want to call them, over a whole planet. And on the moon.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So that then now here it is, you know. What if that's real? You know, how many people don't how many times don't we see those?
SPEAKER_01:I'm sure there's something going on right there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So I mean, you know, I mean nothing you needed to know about. Well, I you know, but now here's the next question, real quick. Would you be comfortable in knowing? Do you think that our society would be comfortable in knowing, be okay with that? Or do you think that you should keep it secret?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no. I'm not saying that. I just think it's right now, it's not Not yet. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? Yeah. That's not saying that. I'm not saying that they shouldn't know. Of course we should know. That goes without saying.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. Yeah, because I would love to be able to speak to an alien. It's not even a matter if I want to meet them or anything, but I would like to know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, this is what's going on. They may have been here. I want to actually this, that, and the other thing.
SPEAKER_00:I want to have a conversation, see what the universe is like. Like, what's it out? Because I mean, you know, again, we here here that aren't, those of us that aren't astronauts, you know, oh, it's so dark up there, you know, it's vast space. Like, you know, you think because you see the moon that it's like, you know, you know, a 10-hour ride. In actuality, it's like a day ride, you know what I'm saying? Or two-day ride straight. You know what I mean? Right. Going to Mars is, you know, longer and Pluto. Like, right.
SPEAKER_01:Or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:So I would like to know how do they feel that long ass trip to get here, and now they're here. You know, do they want to go home? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but again, I think the technology is so well advanced now, is they're they're able to go in and out of time quickly. Right. But even though they could still move at very fast speeds. They've shown that when they've had it on video.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, like super fast.
SPEAKER_00:I I think I'm going in and out of water and Yeah. But I mean, I think I'm just curious to know what their life was like on their planet, you know, to know how they feel making that long ash, you know, uh mission, that crazy travel that they're here and they're settling down and, you know, whether they're excuse me, they're living underwater or they're just mixed up in here with us. If it's just like, you know, a bunch of Chewbaccas that are fucking Bigfoot, you know what I mean? And they're just dipping in and out of uh time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Hitting that little dimensional wormhole. How many things haven't we seen where they show, well, because only such nerds, man. Yeah, I know, right? You know, look at what they say that aliens have built in ancient history, in our ancient history. And it's all what we're gonna first assume to be a religious building, but then the door opens up and there's another door or a wall. You know, that there's when they come in here and they're doing electromagnetic readings, that it's you know, right, there's something that should be here. Like this, there's nothing else going on here in the middle of this desert, but we're getting these crazy readings off of the buildings. You know what I mean? Right. That's like, what the hell? Why is that? Right. You know what I mean? Some kind of energy is surging from it. You know, and then now, my next question what's the di is there a difference between the well, I I guess I know that there's differences, but the aliens that want to help us. I'm sure there's good and bad. Or that they just want to rule us. Who knows? You know what I mean? You know, like they what happened to some of our other civilizations?
SPEAKER_01:The thing I saw on one of the things on TV that we watch, sci-fi or whatever it is, and the story was is that the aliens met up with the leaders of the world back in the fifties or something. Right. I suppose Eisenhower or Right. Anyway. The story is in short, of course, I don't know word for word, but they gave him two choices. I guess one was the right way to go or not do a certain thing and continue doing what you're doing now. Like maybe have peace and then they chose not to go the other the right way. They went the other way.
SPEAKER_00:The the humans.
SPEAKER_01:Uh humans, supposedly.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So now how many times has to look that up so I know exactly. But still, how many times how many times has that conversation been had? Because now we look at so if we look at what I would say would be evidence of lost civilizations. So was it that the aliens were here, they gave humankind that were here on earth ultimatums, like do this or we're gonna destroy you. Like maybe that's really the biblical stories that we heard, you know, all the religions, and that was the main story because had we just all of a sudden had that ice age, you know. Right. We all of a sudden had that super flood, you know. We all of a sudden had, you know, we didn't have the fire yet. But, you know, all these things. Well, in LA. No, no, no, like the floods or the fires to to just wipe out everything on the planet. God's no, it's just horrible. Right, but it'll be the same thing as the flood, you know, like Noah's Ark. You know what I'm saying? They say if it's gonna happen again, it's gonna be fire this time.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't it? Isn't it the next one? It's gonna be something coming from space. It's just gonna plow into the fucking planet and it's gonna take everything out.
SPEAKER_00:Just like it did the dinosaur. Right. So they then they just turn it out.
SPEAKER_01:That's why they're doing all the technology now, so they can see which one they need some knock out of orbit. It's dark.
SPEAKER_00:They can't see shit. You know what I mean? Technically, they can't see every single one, bro. They can not every single one. Well, so that now I that's what it's like.
SPEAKER_01:It's all the ones they then the ones that are necessary to see. It depends on what track they are and if they've been around before. So you sometimes they get closer or closer. Right. Like City's comic. Right. It just comes back. You want to make sure it doesn't come back and come that close. Or right, or hit you want it to leave again and go back. So somehow, if they knock it off its orbit, they're able to land on a fucking now. Right. And then, you know, push it, make it go in a different direction. They've proved that already, so which is good news. Yeah. Right. So they're doing that. So But they have to monitor the skies all the time.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:They have to watch which ones they and they do. They map it out and they get now with AI and everything, they could Well, so now we're gonna say that that's not alien driven.
SPEAKER_00:That it's not the aliens that are driven.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's just more protecting the planet from destruction.
SPEAKER_00:But I'm saying that the that the that's the same. New species begins. Yeah, I know, right? I'm saying that the that it's not the aliens that are aiming that meteors.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, no. I don't think so. No, not at all. I think it's just the way space is, and you know. Yeah. You know, when they say the planets hit more than once. Yeah. But the really big one is the one that destroyed. Right.
SPEAKER_00:But that was the and that's what like Ice Age and and how many miles? It was so many miles long. This thing was huge. Yeah. And that that's what hit the planet, and then that's what wiped it out. Because think about it. All the things that they've found rock and fire. Think of fire, bro. I mean, this thing. All the stuff that we had archaeologists are still finding things. Archaeologists are still finding like whole villages. You know what I'm saying? They're finding that I think we have said it before too. They were in Antarctica and they they were coring out the ice, and they went down like almost a mile or a little bit more than a mile, and they came up with fern, bro. It was ferns that were in the at the bottom of the ice. Ferns are tropical plants, and they found it in the ice. Right. You know? The the Because it just shifted everything around. So that then it was that flash freeze. Well, the we've gone through several ice chains.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly. But there's been like one that was real supposed to be real. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the latest one that we would be able to see and tell. Could happen again. Exactamundo. Could happen again. And and and like I said, is it things that happening? Well, that would suck balls. But now, is it things that the aliens are trying to warn us about?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, so as far as the alien thing, I don't know. You know what I mean? But as far as aliens concerned, I I kind of see it more as if I feel like we are being watched in a sense and they're just in the shadows. Mm-hmm. And if they do already know that they're here and they're dealing with them, we're still fucking here. So Yeah. We gotta hope that stays the case. You know what I mean? I don't know how that works or if even it's if it's really happening. You know, it's just it's crazy to think about. But who's to say it can't, especially now that we're getting more advanced? We got AI now. Right. Yeah. But then it just keeps getting better and better and better, and it's just Well, who's controlling the AI? Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about it's just far as not I'm talking about AI in general as far as how smart it's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's just gonna be ridiculous. It's already showing that now when it comes to certain things. So that's what I'm saying. But yeah, whoever is controlling a certain one, you want to be aware of that.
SPEAKER_00:So that's what I'm saying. So then is the AI with how fast.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just talking about the the necessary what AI can do now as far as technology is concerned, what it can do for you. Medicine, everything it can do, positive things. Right.
SPEAKER_00:So for me, right, with the AI is that if it's alien driven, I mean that they're the one that gave the technology, they could basically program it to say whatever it is that they want church to do. Could that I could that's a little That's a little bit more out there, but you know, it's still I said that's that, you know, again, that alien thing. You know, if we just said that movie them, that it was all that subliminal stuff that people couldn't see unless they had on the sunglasses. As soon as they saw that now they then it was like they were snapping out of it. Right. So that then what if that's what AI is setting that up to be? You know what I mean? Don't know. And like I said, again, alien abductions. Were they just taking us to turn around and just to study us? You know? Is it to get us ready for whatever they're planning? Well at least it's not like Predator. That could be really bad. God, bro, because oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:So imagine that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Aliens coming down, but what game now? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Just taking us out. Yeah. Well, they had the one movie, Predators, where they were taking the people from the earth from different planets, but they had the earth people. Right, I like that one. Yeah, and they took them to a planet that was just strictly for hunting whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Now they got a new one coming out now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. You told me there was the one on the series.
SPEAKER_01:Aliens was the series. Or Alien Earth. Alien Earth.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yes. That's really good.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. But the one that there's another one that came out with a predator, and this woman plays this android of some sort, and she tries to get through to this thing to like, hey, we need to work together to get to beat this thing. Supposedly, there's a creature on the planet they can't beat. Like it's like unbeatable.
SPEAKER_00:And there's and and there's a cartoon too of Predators with the Predator thing. Really? So I want to see the one you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01:I want to see the cartoon one to that's right, because it's on uh I think it's on Disney, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Ooh, Hulu.
SPEAKER_01:I thought it was peak.
SPEAKER_00:I thought it was um prime.
SPEAKER_01:I think it might be.
SPEAKER_00:Well, either way, we'll have to dig it out and look at it. Hulu, it might be on Hulu. But that's us, you know, going back and forth.
SPEAKER_01:But But Yeah, that kind of stuff we should be thankful of.
SPEAKER_00:Not that we didn't say is happening, but what's to say that that's not what they what the the pred the alien abductions have been? Because there are people that haven't even come back that they can't find anymore. There are people that have been taken for a couple of years and then shown up in another part of the world.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? So what if the alien abductions are more to predator? You know what I'm saying? Well they say the cow when they mutilate a cow or they bend down to chupacabra.
SPEAKER_01:It's alien. Right. Usually. Yeah. Because of something. And supposedly it may have even happened to people. Supposedly certain stories. Right, yeah. But you know, these two guys were together and one of his friends got off walked off on day I don't forget remember where they were. Supposedly went over a mountain, some type, and then this UFO picked him up and mutilated him. Yep. Supposedly. Right. And I may not have all the facts correctly. Yeah, I think I remember hearing some of the things. I was watching it on one of the things. I'm like, this is crazy, man.
SPEAKER_00:Bro, what about that the close encounters of the fourth kind?
SPEAKER_01:Well, that was a great movie, man, by the way. And but they put the real footage on next to it, which blew my freaking mind.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. That a whole town was having basically the same freaking dreams, bro. You know, well, I'm gonna say quote unquote the dreams. They all had the same stories about what it was with the kicking them up out of the house. The cop was standing there with the city. Like fuzzes out, and then he's still. But you could see it pulling out of the house at first, and then next thing you know, it's it just like fuzzed out. You could see it coming into screenshot. And that was official like copyright. That's almost like Star Trek. Yeah, bro. That's what I'm telling you, man. It's it's it's crazy, it's insane because here's a town that these people were were so the way it goes that they were all abducted, but the whole town was scared of these alien abductions happening.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? We don't always hear about people that survived it. You know what I mean? People are too scared to come out and speak on it. You know what I mean? I would probably be a little nervous about it too, man. Because then some people would just be like, yo, you guys are freaking crazy. You don't know what you're talking about, you're freaks, you're freaks. Meanwhile, it was something that really happened to me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, somebody they had an experience that they can't explain and they didn't, you know. And it's under hypnosis that they're telling these stories. Right. So, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So it's allowing the brain to open up and for you to and there can't be that many people that are being hypnotized that are coming up with the same freaking story. Right. You know what I mean? That's that's it can't be. There's not that area. No, no, there it's definitely something going on, man. For sure. Right, right, right. That's why I'm like, man, listen, though, that shit is ridiculous. No, that's ridiculous. Yeah. What was the other one to do? Oh, there's some Travis Travis.
SPEAKER_01:Travis Walton. Incident, 1975, Arizona. So the ones we have on here are, but we, you know, there's plenty out there we could pick from. I thought these because they were early, you know? Travis Walton, since uh 1975, Arizona, while working with logging crew, Travis Walton saw a glowing stick in the woods. He said toward it and was blasted by a blue beam. His coworkers fled thinking he was dead. Travis vanished for five days, only to reappear disorientated, near a highway. He later recalling recalled being inside a spacecraft surrounded by non-human beings. His case inspired the movie Fire in the Sky. And to this day, he stands by his story. Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Did you ever see Fire in the Sky?
SPEAKER_01:I think I saw that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I remember he was with his friends where they were working or something. And then Yeah, I only saw like parts of it. I didn't get to see the whole thing. But that movie was kind of spooky, bro. It was. That movie was spooky.
SPEAKER_01:Encounters of the fourth kind. That was spooky.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that was, yeah, but that was like. That scared the shit out of me. Yeah, that was like spooky.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, this was spooky too. Yeah. Because of the way the story, because he comes back five days later, like Jesus? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wasn't it supposed to be three?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like that would have freaked me out. Like if you came back five days later, I was like, where the fuck were you? Yeah. But that's a few people. There was another one I saw. Matter of fact, not two, I saw it a couple of weeks ago, that it was one guy that was abducted, came back like ten years later in Europe, or something like that. Like he was on that side of the planet. And it's like, how the hell did he get all the way over there?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. That's so weird.
SPEAKER_00:Ten years later, nobody's seen him and he didn't even know where he was.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:He just happened to be where he was, and it was like, How the hell did I just get here? And didn't live anywhere. People over there didn't know him. Like it's not like they saw him for 10 years. He just happened to be show up in the fucking middle of like a you know a period or whatever it was. They're like, how the hell did that happen? You know? And then to find out what was done or not done to him, like they don't even remember photos. You know, a lot of them remember that they were being, you know, examined, but they don't even know where they were being examined or anything like that.
SPEAKER_01:It's like a fog almost.
SPEAKER_00:Right, yeah. You know, and it's like, what the hell? Yeah, that's why it's insane. Remember that move that the movie um Stargate? Right. So that then Stargate, so Stargate was going back a little bit, is what we talked about before. And those gates come into play. Remember because they have more than they're all over the place. And they're all over, but then they are because they look at all these places. So they call them the the way lines that cross around the whole planet. And where those way lines are is like where Stonehenges and the pyramids are and how they line up or whatever, like in their spaces. And these are supposed to be high energy, high concentrated energy spots, and that there's the belief has still been that these are ways that the aliens that or the gods that were here, which we believe are aliens, they were transporting between all these different places. Right. Or teleporting, whatever you want to call it. But that's how they got around so quick and whatnot to home planets and whatever else. So then you find all these texts, these drawings, the the hieroglyphics and stuff that are showing. You know, people that are. It's not just in one side of the planet, they're all over the place. Different pyramids, different South America, North America, you know, Alaska, Antarctica, Russia, Egypt, you know, Egypt, you know, Europe, Australia. All over, man. All the continents on the planet. And you're like, damn, the people weren't even traveling like that to be able to, or staying long enough in any one place to be able to, at that time when they when they you know try to date when these things were drawn, people weren't even able to get back and forth like that. You know what I'm saying? But then again, here's what I asked before. Is it that we had civilization where there was actual written civilization where we people were actually talking, you know, like Atlantis kind of stuff, and then these crazy, I guess we'll say, natural disasters happened and then wiped everybody out, and we basically had to start over again. Was it that the aliens turned around and, you know, they did something to start us over?
SPEAKER_01:Wow, that's super conspiracy theory right there.
SPEAKER_00:But then these are things though, that like I said, these are conversations that I've watched and heard on some of the aliens. Like UFO.
SPEAKER_01:I believe in, yeah, like I said, I, you know, I I don't get that's it just seems to me it's more when you do that. It's like like you're like uh almost like you're afraid of something like that happening. Like you think, well, if they come, are they the ones actually doing this, and this is why we do A B C and D. I don't think I don't know. I can't say. Do you think this some outer power has the control to navigate what we're doing?
SPEAKER_00:Well, bec that's again, so now we go by your first what you said first and saying that the aliens are us.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's the rumor or the you know, the theory that we've come back, so and now we're grays, and we're, you know, we've So now you know to avoid us being grays, then now they're coming back to tell us don't do these things.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? Don't don't don't don't fall into what we did. They're trying to change their history. I would hope so.
SPEAKER_01:I hope it wouldn't be bad like you were mentioning before.
SPEAKER_00:Because think of what they're looking like. Right. You know what I'm saying? So here we are and we look like we look like, you know. Now they say that for the biggest thing.
SPEAKER_01:But if they don't already care, you know, by the way they their demeanor is, how can they do you know, do you think they can be able to uh Because now it's their survival.
SPEAKER_00:Think about it. If you're in a situation where you need to look out for you, Right.
SPEAKER_01:So you're saying they're coming back to try to think them to tell us not to do these certain things, make sure you're taking care of this and you're going this direction. Don't go this way. Yes. And then you'll end up the way.
SPEAKER_00:Or you'll end up looking like us. You know what I'm saying? But who's to say that's not evolution? Again. So then what happened on the planet? So if we go by animals, right? Animals that have those big kind of eyes, that's because it's dark. Right. So they have to have those kind of eyes so they can see in the dark. Right. So that then if these grays are coming back, they're gray. Well, bats don't have big eyes like that. Some they have sonar, but they're blind.
SPEAKER_01:Right. That's true.
SPEAKER_00:So they use so.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but you do have fruit bats, though.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So then that's what that is. So now they're gray. So that means no sunlight. So they're not getting the the vitamin C, vitamin D, whatever. So there. So that's it.
SPEAKER_01:Pigment is really uh Right.
SPEAKER_00:So now they're like pale and whatnot because now they their evolution is what it is that we've done now. So whether it was like a nuclear storm that just went away.
SPEAKER_01:I'll tell you. You know what I'm saying? Something that fucking stupid, man. Look at Matrix. The movie Matrix.
SPEAKER_00:So everybody's living underground. So you think the aliens are coming to to warn us? That's what one of the theories is. Okay. That the aliens are coming back. So they're us and they're coming back to warrant us or try to fix whatever genealogy. Like in sense of what to eat, not eat, don't do it right. But don't put this in there, don't you?
SPEAKER_01:Don't file these politics, that, the other thing.
SPEAKER_00:Like it you're saying everything up off the, you know. I'm not gonna say everything, but because we know that I'm sorry, we don't know. We're assuming that government agencies around.
SPEAKER_01:You can believe it, but doesn't make it true.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So then they believe there it's said that they have the communication with the aliens. So that then now, if that's the case, they already know what's supposed to be happening in the future. So then they're letting the aliens come back. It's a lot of what ifs. Oh, yeah. It's all day what if. You know, but again, it's it's the what ifs and how much of it is true. Because if we literally say all of these things together, it makes sense. It's a whole story. So they're here for one thing.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:They're us coming from either another planet or another time to try to fix and and and and I guess we'll say uh use us as the guinea pigs to turn around and fix, change up what's going to happen, what could happen in the next 300 years if we go back, you know, go that far forward.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So then it's, you know, to change us. Whether it's to change us, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Possible. Possible. I don't look at it that way, though. I I see it differently. I see it more where hopefully get to a point where, you know, everything gets more, you know, we get out of our own way and we actually progress. And, you know. I would love that. Medicine and people are getting able to live and you know, and move on with technology, you know, as far as uh energy is concerned. And you know what I mean? Like going the right direction.
SPEAKER_00:Well, think of how far we're gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01:But as far as built but as far as the future way, you know, you picture it in your head, you know, you say, you know, like when you see it, you're like, you know, where it's just everything's so clean and crisp, you know what I mean? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, think of what technology has looked like for us in like the last hundred years. You know what I mean? We basically went from horses and you know, and carriages to now electric vehicles. You know what I'm saying? We look at just listening that you and I talked before. Look at our music. We went from listening to music on like having to go to a live place, you know, like a venue to go watch the bands play live. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Or you heard it on the radio.
SPEAKER_00:Or you heard it on the radio, but you didn't before there was the radio, you had to go. Go there and see it. Yeah. So then now the radio comes in, and now we're like, what? Then, you know, 10 years after the radio, now we got TV, and then it's ca it's A-Track and it's you know, records and and cassette tapes and MP3 players and DVDs.
SPEAKER_01:I think it was records and then A-Tracks. Right tracks.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'm sorry. So records, then the A-Tracks, and then the cassette tapes, and you know, DVDs, and then as far as the movies are concerned, VHSs and beta max, or beta maxes and VHSs, like just all these things, uh, and all within 75, 100 years now?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? And this is where we are.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm saying AI is the the things that it can do now and the things that it is doing and continue to do, because it's solving a lot of shit that they couldn't do. Right. Now AI is able to, like, you know, which is amazing.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And again, like we always talk. So did we get it for the owners, or is it just something that we we've able to got to the point where we gotten smart enough to where we're able to create a computer like that?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, that's basically what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_00:Well, we have the we've had the computer that was able to do that. It was the size of like I mean, I forgot how big they said it was. It was a huge room and it had the crazy super computer that was in it.
SPEAKER_01:Well that's the problem they say with II, is that they're gonna have the this it's gonna need so much energy that they have to make sure they do it in a way where it's not, you know, it's sucking energy. In other words, they gotta make it where, you know, as energy efficient as possible because it's gonna consume a lot of energy. It's gonna consume a lot of energy.
SPEAKER_00:So then now again, so because of what we already see AI is turning into what it potentially could be, right? Is it now the aliens that are, you know, here to set up for that? What AI is going to be, whether it's for us to fight it or for us to be a part of it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. And you might be right, because you know, they have those videos where they sh supposedly show that when a missile goes up in the sky or whatever you see, you see an alien ship shoot it out of the sky, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And you're like, wow. What the hell was that? Is it true? Don't know, but is that possible? Who's to say it isn't? You know, who's to say it didn't happen? And then, you know, it's just but either way, it's good to have an open mind about it, you know, as far as but the abduction thing is pretty pretty fucked up though, because you know, and then they take people and they do shit and it's like a violation and everything. And again, they don't care.
SPEAKER_00:So Yeah, but is it a is it is it something to protect us?
SPEAKER_01:Right. You know what I mean? Pascagoula abduction? The Pascagoula. 1973 Mussippi. Two men, Charles Hicks and Calvin Parker, were fishing with a glowing egg sheep craft landed nearby. Three robotic creatures floated toward them, paralyzed them with strange light, and brought them inside for a physical examination. After being released, they reported the incident to the police, and during a secret recording, both men were heard expressing genuine fear even when they thought no one was listening. That tape still exists today. See? It's pretty crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Again, so the funny is that nobody I don't think I've heard of anybody that was abducted and knew why they had to be.
SPEAKER_01:Right, because in the movies we always see it where it's it's not that way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, they see it and they're not hypnotized or nothing like that. It was never a movie like that, except for like what do you call encounters of the fourth kind. The left. Well, no, but they never said why they were being abducted. Yeah, but no, right. They just were something that was crazy was going on because that one guy just lost it. Yeah. Right. Yeah, he couldn't. He shot himself, remember? Yeah, he shot the family and then himself. Right, remember? Because he just like he was like, whatever they were doing to him. Right. So something was wrong and it wasn't a good thing.
SPEAKER_00:Right. But again, was that what that town was an experiment? So we'll go back a little, a bunch of years.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, man.
SPEAKER_00:So think about it. There was remember that episode of Twilight Zone where the aliens were sitting there and they were invisible to everybody else, and they had given the guy the power. It was like a one from Venus, the aliens from Venus, aliens from Mars, and they were using the humans. So they gave that one guy, oh my god, from Rocky. Virgus Merida? Yep, Virgis Meredith. That they had given him power. He was strong, and he was able to pick up, you know, all these things. Oh, I remember that one. And he used it for fame. You know what I mean? Then, you know, and they took it away from him, and then he was nothing but a me head again. Right. You know what I mean? Then the aliens from Venus came in and they gave him the power of thought. Like they made him super intelligent. Right. And then he's sitting there and uh, yes, then the equation is this and the third, and now he was a fucking genius.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Who is this freaking guy?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So I mean, like I said, is it that I I don't know, man. I think that with the abductions and the way that they happened, how frequent they had looking for something. They were looking for something. I think they saw that I said that's right. Sorry. Yeah. They were probably looking for it. But that, you know, just now we're we're, I'm gonna say, watered down from, you know, our original uh, I guess we'd say DNA links. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:That's too technical for me, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's funny. That now they're not abducting people the same way in as many. We don't know that. Maybe they're just not reported. Maybe it's not being reported or not allowing to be reported. But then how, see, so now here's my other thing with that, right? Ready, you ready, you ready? They're letting out all of the military or just pilots, planes, military as a whole, regular pilots, airline pilots, now they're letting their sightings be public knowledge.
SPEAKER_01:Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They're allowing stuff to come out now. Right. So they're not. Which is really good, which explains a lot of things, too. Uh, and that goes back to what I was saying before. Do you think that then the the friendship between the aliens and governments on the planet part true? I don't know, this friendship probably a part of the. Well, I'm gonna say partnership. All right, fair enough, partnership. Hmm. You know what I mean? Right. Because then it's like, well, you know what? You guys need to be here, you need to find out because we need to save the human race, you know, for the future, or whatever the case may be. You know, we want to get in on this because we're not gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_01:If I was an alien, I'd be like, you guys are some dumb motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You need to smarten up.
SPEAKER_00:But maybe not because that's the aliens that are quote unquote smarter that are setting us up. Like we're their guinea pigs. We're livestock. Right. You know what I mean? Supposedly. Right. Again, on the assumptions. You know what I mean? Never know. Yes. Like I said, we've seen way you and I have watched way too many fucking movements.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we do, man. Just not even the movies, but I you know, I watch the the when they do it on the aliens, you know, if it's on sci-fi or Discovery or whatever it's on, and they sit and I watch it.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, some of it, like we said before, but you can tell when it's you know when they little extra. They put a little extra. But when it's the other stuff, you know, when uh serious encounters and things that happened. Yeah. You're like, oh, that's pretty weird, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like, why there? What would happen? What would I need to do if that ever freaking happened?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, like we said before, like we're talking about what is it, the the uh Barney and Betty Hill. Those were one of the first people. Started doing the Waffle. At least for our time. Yeah. So then I'm saying, right, right, but I'm saying that, you know, that and that was what, 1960s. For that time. They still talk about it. They still talk about that stuff. I know. Right. It's like we're st they're still the staple, if you will, of abductions. Right. You know, they were just a couple. Well, I I mean, well, it doesn't even matter, I guess, their race, but they were a biracial couple out in the middle of nowhere, coming home from a you know, from a function and down that long dark desert highway with cool winding their hair, trying to find the passage back to the place they were before. You know what I'm saying? And here it is. This light comes up out of nowhere and takes them out for a couple of hours. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Man, ma'am, thank you, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And you never know. And like I said, she was all tore up. You know, people were questioning if he had done something to her. You know, right, or right. But they're right. Under hypnosis, they were telling the same story. No, yeah. This is what happened.
SPEAKER_01:But again, back then. That's the thing that gets me is when they do it under hypnosis and then they go, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:How are they saying this under hypnosis? What's going on? Yeah. There's no way they could have trained themselves to do that. You know, why would they think, oh, if they're gonna put us under hypnosis and they're gonna make so we're gonna need to figure this out and make sure we get our stories on it.
SPEAKER_00:That's like the that that would probably be at the a couple of years of fast. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The subliminal. Yeah, though. Right? You've had to get in the subliminal. Yes, seriously. I I want the knife. Well, please. Remember that? Go to child. So with that, that was our alien abduction, Jamie. You know, we went a little bit back and forth on there. Yeah, we're gonna be man. Because you just, yeah, I love that shit. This is good Halloween stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. What kind of stories do you guys have?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah, man. Listen, uh, we got, what, another two episodes before the month is over? Right? Yep. So hit us up, man. We're gonna probably try to do a live episode, the last, the last one. Absolutely. So this way we can have people just throwing in the last for the Halloween stuff. So, and then, oh, and isn't October breast cancer month? Yes. Well, cancer, I know it's gonna cancers, but appreciate listen, everybody, stay strong, stay safe. Thank y'all for watching. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And what was Thomas?
SPEAKER_01:Stay weird. Holler!
