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Unleashing Your Dog's Potential
Ever wondered why your perfectly behaved puppy suddenly develops behavioral issues? Or why your small dog barks aggressively while your friend's massive breed remains calm? The answers lie in understanding canine psychology, and our guest Nate "the Dog Man" breaks it all down with remarkable clarity.
Nate's journey into professional dog training began with a chance encounter in a park during high school, where he witnessed a trainer commanding perfect off-leash obedience. That moment sparked a passion that evolved into expertise working with the most challenging canine cases—aggressive, fearful, and dominant dogs that other trainers often avoid. His approach combines deep understanding of genetic predispositions with practical behavior modification techniques that transform troubled dogs into balanced companions.
Throughout our conversation, Nate reveals eye-opening insights about how we unintentionally create problems through humanizing our pets. "When you yell commands from behind your dog, you've literally become the barking dog in the relationship," he explains. Instead, he teaches owners to communicate in ways dogs naturally understand—through consistent boundaries, appropriate outlets for instinctual behaviors, and reward systems that make desired behaviors advantageous.
From solving food aggression by adding food rather than taking it away, to understanding why confidence-building matters more than correction, Nate's methods challenge conventional wisdom while delivering remarkable results. His fascinating breakdown of how dogs learn—comparing it to humans' willingness to endure discomfort for high-value rewards—offers a framework anyone can apply to transform their relationship with their pet.
Whether you're struggling with a specific behavioral issue or simply want to develop a deeper connection with your canine companion, this episode provides practical wisdom that will forever change how you interact with dogs. Subscribe to hear more conversations that blend entertainment with expertise that improves your daily life!
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Welcome to Calvin Crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast. Gentlemen, how are you All right? All right, we're doing great so we got a special guest with us tonight. Yes, All right.
Speaker 3:Nate the Dog man is here with us, nate the Dog man. What, what, nate the Dog?
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:Who.
Speaker 3:All right, How's it going? Everyone Good.
Speaker 2:How are you, my friend? I'm doing good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4:Awesome Good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I found out about Nate from a friend of ours, mike Right, that we work with?
Speaker 4:Yeah, because he trained. Mike's dog and still trains him, I believe.
Speaker 2:Right, you still do work with Mike's dog? Yeah, I still work with him. Right yeah.
Speaker 3:Nice, excellent.
Speaker 2:And then Mike and I was like you know what? That would probably be a good podcast to have this guy on. So you know, and some tips for us as well. You know, because, well, tom used to have a dog, so unfortunately his dog passed away, but I have three miniature schnauzers that are the king of barking, so I got some work to do on that. But welcome sir.
Speaker 4:How are you? Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 4:Yes, cool beans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so tell us, how did you get started in all this?
Speaker 3:Well, it started when I was in high school. As far as, like my professional career Right, I always had a passion and love for dogs and I had well-behaved dogs growing up. And then so my 12th grade year I was in the park DPU. I grew up in Westchester. I went to Pekill High School.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:And I was in the park playing basketball and I seen this guy walking by with a dog and then with another dog, and then another dog, and I was like what, what are you a dog walker? Yeah, and I was like, because if you are, like you know, I'm looking for a job, like you know, can I get in?
Speaker 3:And he was like I right, I was like no way. He was like, yeah, I'm a dog trainer. So I was like show me something. And he had his dog with him. And well enough, he had his dog off-leash, trained, impressed me, grabbed my attention, told his dog to sit. Not only his dog sat, but his dog was off-leash and around all these distractions the dog was engaged with him, right, and it was a beautiful picture to watch, right? And so at that time my school had an apprenticeship called pie, so I can like find somewhere to go and like do like some, you know work study program.
Speaker 3:So I asked him. He took me on, and then that's when my journey began been training dogs ever since get out of here, bro, that's insane, no, seriously. So like yeah, in high school I got to leave half the day and go train dogs. I only had to be there for like two hours. What Right Nice? It was like 8 pm. He's like Nate, you got to go home.
Speaker 2:You didn't want to go home. Yeah, you found your niche. That's what's great, man.
Speaker 1:No, it was. They did like a school to careers type thing, Because when I went to a vocational school, so I did the same thing I used to go for culinary and like we used to do a school to careers type thing where we'd like I get to leave halfway through the day and go to like work at like a restaurant or whatever.
Speaker 3:So same deal, exactly Same exact thing.
Speaker 4:And the thing, the beauty about this is that he actually lived right around the corner from me. Oh, that's why you didn't want to go home, bro. It was like walking distance, right? Yeah, like literally.
Speaker 3:And it was awesome and it taught me so much and when it came to being in school and like just handling myself with other people and about my approach and stuff like that reading people's body language and kind of like you know things like that and it kind of like gave me an advantage Right To have things go a little bit more in my favor, right.
Speaker 4:Right, right yeah.
Speaker 3:So it even helped understood.
Speaker 2:You're able to apply those skills, Stephen, with the people as well. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:So it was a wonderful skill to learn. So it's a wonderful trait, um, to have. Right, because not only I can work with dogs, but it's just animals in general. Right, when it comes to operant conditioning, classical conditioning they have all this scientific terminology that would make it seem very complex, but we're actually applying this stuff every day of our life. Right, right, yeah, right. So then when I finally read the book, I was able to understand what I was doing. Right, and it started to make sense. Right, oh, that's what that means. And then it started taking off even more. Right, right, okay very cool so yeah, no, uh, it's really cool.
Speaker 3:So I specialize in over-aggressive, fearful, skittish and dominant dogs.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, so it's like the hard stuff yeah, yeah, yeah definitely bro, which is you know what a lot of people have, unfortunately, because I think we're usually the culprit of the reason why some of the dogs do what they do right, like as far as behaviors and things. Like you know, we get a dog and we love him up and we do all these crazy things, but it's really not. We're not helping the animal by doing what we're doing in the sense of them being who they, you know who they truly are as far as following their, their skills, as far as you know nature is concerned.
Speaker 3:We can teach bad habits. We can reinforce bad habits like barking and anxiety and stuff like that, right, you know. But there are also things that, when it comes to genetics, right, that also play the makeup of the dog also as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like certain breeds are known to have certain behaviors, like I know, like I don't know if it's true, but I noticed it with the smaller breeds is sometimes it could be a little more aggressive. Like I know, like you would think, like a small Chihuahua is like the sweet adorable dog. But a lot of the times I've seen Chihuahuas and they're like they could be super nasty, but that's again.
Speaker 2:that's based on how the owner is.
Speaker 1:But is that the breed, or is that not necessary?
Speaker 3:There's so many avenues, I can go with this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I just did a little episode with Inside Edition and I'm breaking into the house as the owners are putting the food down, right, wow. And so they put the food down. I come in, I startle them and the dog and whatnot. We want to see the reaction of the dog, right? Actually, this was going off on Instagram Like they was doing a bunch of videos, so they picked it up. The little dog is the one that actually came to me and confronted me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, and tried that and backing me off, but they, but they're not really there to do that Right. The bigger dogs, the massive breed like the more molossals or the muscle.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:But they're too confident to get up to go check what was going on. What the little dogs are more yapper and start bringing all the commotion to get the big guy to go up.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Right Like a new foundling right Right.
Speaker 3:They're like so slow, they preserve a lot more of their energy Cause when it comes time to fight, you know, or protect, or defend, that's where all the energy goes, yeah, and so they're a flock guardian. So it's like you know, if you come and you step within that border, then they defend. If you run away and leave, they're not going to go and chase, yeah.
Speaker 4:They'll chase. Yeah, they're just barking. You see what I'm saying. But then how do they know the difference? Because if you came into the house and they didn't like confront you to stop you from you know grabbing on their owner, when and or how would they know to to now be protective?
Speaker 3:well, if I understand your question, right, right, so now, sorry, you're good when we go to the breeze, and that's what this, that's what also this, uh, the show was about. Okay, see what your dog was going to do, because you know, to the untrained eye, a lot of times people think when these dogs are barking, that they're going to protect them. Okay, it's a false sense of security. Fair enough.
Speaker 4:Okay, Right right, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Right right it's more of a defense mechanism. Oh, okay, right, so you know a true predator is not going get her prey away. Right, that's true, you're right.
Speaker 1:They're just going to get her Exactly, yeah, like bing.
Speaker 4:So you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so now in personal protection.
Speaker 3:We condition the dog to bark, so through frustration will equal aggression. Okay, so if I have the toy, so now I am manipulating again and then having the dog be possessive over this toy and demanding it, got it, got it. You see what I'm saying, right? And then I even give them. I was trying to get it to strike and then to miss.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and to strike and then to miss. And then now I have to read the body language and then when I see right, when it's at its peak boom, that's when I reward Okay, right, because I want to get them at his highest, right, right, and things like that. So again, it's the power of manipulation, things like that when it comes into training the dog. But when it comes into genetics and stuff like that, that's their makeup. So back in the day, when we had more farms, dogs were bred for purpose, even the small dogs. They were ratters, ratters, yeah Right, like turkeys and stuff like that those little terriers, yeah, they like us and they naturally do that.
Speaker 1:They naturally love to chase small things my three guys are routers.
Speaker 2:The miniature chenilles are routers and those guys when they see the squirrels and the chipmunks in the yard, man, they lose their shit.
Speaker 3:So yeah so they start running after it like I don't know why I'm doing this, this, but I have to do this. And boom, boom, right, that's genetics. Okay. So for that dog and that client, right, I satisfy that dog's restless spirit, right, so instead of saying no, you can't chase this, I provide the, yes, I provide the outlet. Okay, that gives them the same genetic makeup chase, capture, grab.
Speaker 3:So a lot of people are thinking that this tug game is, it teaches aggression. No, it's actually an outlet. Okay, right, because chase, capture, and I can teach dog to bite and then give him the reward, the fight he looks for, right, and then I teach give to me to give back to you, right, give to me to give back to you. And then I teach my impulse right, sit now, chase back to you, and then I teach my impulse right, sit now, chase, oh, sit, do not add combos. Sit down now, chase, give to me to give back to you. So now I'm working mentally and physically. Right, that's going to equal exhaustion, okay, so that's where these dogs they have so much drive. Right, because they want to go do something and through boredom you learn what not to do.
Speaker 4:Right, Right, yeah exactly that makes perfect sense. It does, it does.
Speaker 2:But you know when you're an owner right and somebody gets a dog, they're not thinking this. You know that some people do and get their dogs trained but then some people don't Like. But then some people don't Like. When I got my dogs we took them for training. I don't know if you know Chris from PetSmart. He used to do the training over there in Middletown.
Speaker 2:I'm not familiar with him, but he was a really good trainer. We'd go and he'd have the corral, he'd have that area where everybody would go in when they're first puppies and they'd just, you know, sit down, you know, to help with the barking and all that other stuff and be around other dogs while you're doing the training, because they were all young.
Speaker 2:That's always the beginning, and then you go to the next step. So we got some of that stuff down. They're good at that, my guys. The issue is the barking, you know, and what you were mentioning too is the router thing. So that's probably something that they probably need to work on too, because they're probably not getting it the way they should. Satisfied the satisfaction.
Speaker 3:Satisfaction that they absolutely need. They need an outlet. Most clients of mine that are new time dog owners are under this conception that the dogs come genetically programmed to understand what sit down come and in yeah, that's not it.
Speaker 3:We have to condition these things, right, right. And then we use them as tools later in training, right, yeah, in training, right, yeah, okay, right, that's the bigger picture, right, you know? And then also I teach the leash. Most people put the leash on just to go for a walk and then they're behind their dog yelling get off the couch or don't do this, stop doing that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They literally turn into the dog behind them, barking Right them barking Rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay that makes sense, that's hilarious, bro.
Speaker 4:Never thought about that, that's true, never thought about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all day.
Speaker 1:I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is fantastic. Yeah, you're literally barking at the dog At the dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, holy shit Except you're using words, but they don't you know like to them. You're barking at them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hence why I say I speak dog yeah man, yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So that's great yeah.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of fun stuff. Yeah, and dog training is not rocket science. Okay, right, it's really not. And here we go again with negative reinforcement. Oh, I don't use negative reinforcement Right Reinforcement, right, negative because they associate it with punishment and correction. Right, okay.
Speaker 1:But you cannot. Yeah, it's like the humanizing, you know. It's like, oh, we don't want to do that to a person, but, like dogs are different, they understand. So all my exercises.
Speaker 3:I role play with the human Right, so I will walk you around on the leash and get you used to what I'm going to do to you, to your dog, so that you're comfortable doing it, because, again, they don't want to hurt the dog, right.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:The dog already has 10 to 15 times higher threshold for the pain.
Speaker 4:Than us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, you see, people don't think about that because, like they compare it to ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was what you were saying earlier about the humanizing the dog and we helping them. We're hurting them by doing that. Yeah, because we compare it to ourselves.
Speaker 1:We're like oh, but you know, if I, you know, give us a tiny, you know pinch or something like that, he's gonna, you know it's gonna upset him, but like it doesn't, you know, yeah, so now.
Speaker 3:The advantage is understanding dog culture and that they gradually escalate right. So it's a light growl, deeper growl a show of teeth, a snap and a bite okay that's normal, and humanizing is oh, my dog growled at me.
Speaker 4:How dare light growl deeper growl?
Speaker 3:a show of teeth, a snap and a bite. That's normal and humanizing is oh, my dog growled at me. How dare you growl at me?
Speaker 4:I fed you, I walk you, I play with you and give you treats.
Speaker 3:And then what they do they snatch and they grab, and then next time they do it, then the dog even growls a little bit deeper this time, and then goes to bite them.
Speaker 2:I get you Right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, or the next time the dog skips steps goes straight to the bite Right, right, right.
Speaker 1:Or it doesn't even growl, just boom, bite Right.
Speaker 3:That's when they start skipping steps, because now the dog is going to correct you for trying to correct them, because he can anticipate what you're getting ready to do. Right, but just as either learning how to teach the dog in the beginning to trade for either equal or higher value Okay, because it's not a part of their culture, right. So now you take wolves, their cousins, right, and understand where this dominance and submission comes from. Right, because they actually hunt in a pack. Right, so they can't afford to hurt each other.
Speaker 2:But there is one who leads, the only time, wolves will kill each other.
Speaker 3:As far as the leading, the leading, yeah, one will lead, yeah, but even like now, they think that the leader's in front. They're usually in the back. He is in the back, right in front of the woods.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's watching the pack in front of him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he has other. He got soldiers.
Speaker 4:Yeah right, soldiers, yeah right.
Speaker 3:So you know, so, yeah, so that that growling is actually letting you know that I'm unsure, I'm uncomfortable. Back off, right, Go back and reassess your situation, right, and because now you have claimed and unclaimed possessions, right, right, so you know, these are just like simple rules, right? That same picture and this is what I like to do is like flip their mind, okay, right, and I put an empty food bowl down. They dive into it with heart and soul thinking something's in there, and they pop back like what Nothing's there, where is it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, I'll approach the food, I'll go into my pocket and pour a little bit out. I stand back just far enough to where I can watch him eat, and as he gets almost done, I'll approach and I'll add more. So now I'm adding.
Speaker 1:So he sees you as someone who's providing food for him.
Speaker 3:Yes, so later I can help change that dog's perception, with the kids running in and out Rather than growling or protecting the dish Now, when he sees a hand in.
Speaker 1:He assumes more food.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but the first body language that I look for is when they approach. You start seeing softer body language, nice Versus stiff, intense, right, because, think about it, it's the same thing with me and my mom, right, she used to eat off my plate until a certain age, right?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, she raised me and my brother Right, and so you know we go out. She'll, you know, make a little place here and there, and then we get older and we get a little bit bigger and I'm like there's none.
Speaker 4:Right right, right right, A piece of mine, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, it's true. It's true, right, very true.
Speaker 2:So there's not good. So is it not good for them to be taken away from the mom early of the way you know? Because puppies are born and they're usually what? What's the earliest that you can take a puppy?
Speaker 3:By rule of thumb, we're like on that eight weeks Right.
Speaker 2:I think that's what my guys were when we got them.
Speaker 3:We went to Tennessee and got them and, as you see more today you're hearing younger and younger and that dog doesn't get to understand its culture, gotcha. So now when it's playing with other dogs other dogs are getting overwhelmed and doesn't understand when it's correcting I'm telling them to knock it off, they're still playing like it's a joke, Right, right. You know I can go into so many different fields with this, but yeah, but it's important when it comes to dog culture for them to understand their culture and that right there they get from like up to about age eight weeks, because you know, mom might have to look at, just stare at this one. He's like, okay, I'm not going to do nothing, right, this one needs a little bit of a growl. Right, that one needs a snap, that one needed a little knock it off, right. And they learn that Right, right From their mom and then amongst each other too.
Speaker 3:Ok, you know things like that. And another thing, that too, about a puppy selection when it comes to the genetics, right. So I have clients come to me and they want to serve this dog, a therapy dog, and they want to go and select a dog and let's say the litter is five, five, inside the litter you have three of them that are up front. Hey, pick me, pick me, pick me. You got the two little cute ones in back already shy, and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Those two already in back are lacking confidence, right, okay, so those are the dogs that you can do everything right, socialize them, do all this other kind of stuff. But then they come to a certain age and then you start seeing to be able to approach their fears and other things start stemming out. But I'm able to tell it from right there, from very young, because that puppy is supposed to be fearless, supposed to be wanting to approach and conquer and explore.
Speaker 4:Okay, that makes sense. So it's better for a therapy dog to get the ones that are quiet.
Speaker 3:No, oh no, make me sure, because it's lacking confidence.
Speaker 1:Okay, right.
Speaker 2:You want the ones that aren't lacking the confidence. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, make you sure.
Speaker 2:But, those, I'm assuming, then those would need more work. Yeah, to get their confidence is concerned.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so like you know again, like you know, we get these dogs unexpectedly and they get into the house. They will form a really good relationship with you and stuff like that can come through your house. I'm not saying it's written in stone, but the percentage of that happening with that type of dog from that litter right. Right, I have seen that kind of like been more of the storyline.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 4:You know, Okay, the storyline, okay, you know, okay, I get that all right now, something you said before with the bowls. So I've heard people that I know that have dogs and they'll, when they go to, they'll feed the dog and then they'll put their hand in and take some of the food out. Is that a? I'm gonna say, is that a healthy practice? You know, when they're themselves are trying to, like you said, because you know you're the expert, so you do all these things. You, you know somebody who's like I could do this shit by myself. You know, is that like the right approach If you do it early?
Speaker 3:enough time and you're not really taking the food, and the dog's comfortable with you. You're going to see the dog's going to be all right.
Speaker 4:Okay. But like say, that's an adult dog, yeah he's like, yeah, he's like, bro, you don't want to do that my system would be a little more safer. Right, okay.
Speaker 3:And then with that, you know, I'll be able to add food and then, while the dog's eating, still have my food there. It won't be as a threat, because I'm adding.
Speaker 4:Okay, right.
Speaker 1:And that system, too, also helps dogs that already have made the mistake, already had that behavior of behaving that way and I want to change their perception that, right, there is like what one way I will start introducing feeding the dog. Okay, I heard of another method. I remember hearing it years ago. They said to, if you have a puppy, like they say when you're feeding them, to hold the bowl while they eat. So they're used to you holding the bowl and your hands around their food is that another method or you don't think that is effective.
Speaker 1:Is that a right approach? Everything?
Speaker 3:is. I'm not going to say it's right or wrong, but everything is the power of association. So once a dog starts associating that as a young age, then it's more of a way of life.
Speaker 1:So it won't be brain. So as he gets older and you, end up doing that.
Speaker 3:It won't be like the first time.
Speaker 1:So it's not right or wrong right, but it's a different, just a different.
Speaker 3:It's a way of associating. And now still again, same concept letting the dog know that you're not in threat for its food. Yeah, right, and the dog's still comfortable eating. And the dog still gets to eat, stuff like that. Everybody's still comfortable because that energy is there, right, right and stuff like that. So again, it's not bad or good unless something bad happens or a dog has a bad experience, right, yeah, in that situation.
Speaker 1:Someone pulls right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like what?
Speaker 3:what the heck man yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, so that's and that, and that's basically what like dog training is at a young age is just like being able to go out and having a good experience right right you know and and, and, and, even if dog doesn't have a good experience humanizing, sometimes we try to call the dog and say, oh, it's okay, yeah, right, and at that moment we can be hurting the dog because now we reassuring the insecurity, right, right right, right, got.
Speaker 3:It makes sense, yeah right yeah, so you know analogy that I like to tell people when it comes to like building confidence and being able to have them figure things out on their own Cause I grew up watching national geographics, so it's just like I just love nature. My mom got me like trials of life and stuff.
Speaker 4:Nice.
Speaker 3:So I'll sit there and I'll watch these things over and over again. And there's this one episode where there's a mama bear walking in the woods with her two cubs and she crosses a string and one of the cubs goes in the water and crosses it with no problem and the other cub is sitting there calling out for his mom, and mom just continues to slowly walk away. Right, right, brother, the little brother's with mom, you know. And the puppy starts. The little cub gets even more anxious. Right, there's nobody there to push him in.
Speaker 1:Right, right Right.
Speaker 3:And he realizes that each step that mom takes decreases my chances of survival. Okay, got it. And he has to face his fear. Okay, and he jumps in Right. Okay, and he jumps in Right and he makes it across. Okay, and what does he do? He celebrates. He jumps on his brother's back, right, right, he jumps on his mom's legs. So, through that stressful moment, right when he gets to the other side, he has gratification, he has celebration, he's uplifted right away. Yeah, right, he gets to another stream. Right, might have a little bit of an issue by his third or fourth. You never knew he had a problem to begin with.
Speaker 2:Right, and they all have, with all animals and with dogs. They all have their own personality, absolutely Right, their own personality, describing what you just said. I was watching a thing on social media with ducklings and it was a little pack of them. Mom was already in the water. She jumped down it was like a little waterfall into, like a lake or whatever it was, and she went in. She went, boom, and the other ones started to follow. Some just went automatically and they were the last one you could see didn't want to go, didn't?
Speaker 4:want to go, didn't?
Speaker 2:go and everybody's watching what you can hear, everybody you know, because they're on the sideline, you know. And then all of a sudden, yeah the thing just jumps she was down there and you know all his siblings were down there waiting. They didn't go nowhere. You know they were in the water already but he had to go it's not like she can go back up there and get them. But it was so cool to see how nature works. You know like uh see the do or die. If I don't go, I'm to be stuck here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2:Right, it is yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I just had to have it with my son going down the slide. Right Going down the slide I had to put him on my lap Right, then I'm trying to sit him in front of me Right, so he has that security going down. I'm breaking away.
Speaker 4:He's like no, no no, so I finally broke away and he went down on his own and he got off.
Speaker 3:He was excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like what I'm a big boy now, yeah, and now he wants to do it by himself.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is awesome man, that is so cool.
Speaker 1:I got a question, it might be controversial, I don't know, but what do you think about people who have like these dogs and they got them in purses with their heads sticking?
Speaker 4:out of purses. Is that like bad? That can't be. I would think that can't be good psychologically for the dog.
Speaker 1:They seem like they're comfortable, but maybe they're just like desensitized.
Speaker 3:It's association you know the dog finds the advantage of being in there. Yep, right. So you know, why does the dog do? It's a million dollar question, right? Dog does to gain its own advantage, to get good feelings and to escape bad feelings, right, and so the dog's conditioned to being there from a young age or kind of like. You know, this is our routine, this is our way of life yeah right, it gets conditioned right, got it, got it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that makes sense. That's just crazy, I know, I see that shit.
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh my god like, and like it looks like a, like a, like a bag you take to the beach yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4:Have you seen the ones in the stroller?
Speaker 2:they have the puppies in the stores and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, I I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm guilty as charged in that, but we had she had joint issues no, no, no, I'm talking about no, I'm talking about like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, doesn't have issues and it's not yeah, yeah, yeah, we said oh yeah, I'm in the business right so it's like I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3:So if I have clients that have that, that's not going to really bother me, or? Anything like that okay the dog can walk right. So if I go into a house and you have like weeby pads and stuff like that, the dog can go outside right right because all you're doing is getting the dog used to going inside now you're gonna tell the dog that now I want you to go outside, right?
Speaker 3:you know things like that, right? So then, so, with that, if you had these small dogs and like we have service dogs now, and that dog is able to indicate to me that, hey, my blood sugar is going up, hey, you gotta take your insulin because your diabetes is, you know, going on, then I'm like all right, cool, yeah, put that thing in a person.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah yeah, exactly, let's go rock out, right, right, right.
Speaker 3:I see what you're saying, so to me that would be like a better picture, but just to be in Walmart with your dog and kind of like stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just because you want to studded purse or something like that. You know, you know you were saying something earlier about the dish. I remember when Jeter, we were having an issue with him, he was being aggressive with his food Right and, chris, when he was teaching us, he was like so what I want you to do? He said, put his dish down and I want you to put his leash. And you know, have him on the leash in the house. All right, as soon as you walk him over to the dish and he starts to growl, bring him back. And then, when he starts to go, when he gets to the point when he realizes that growling is not where he, he's not going to get the dish Right. Once he didn't do that and I was able to walk him over to the dish without him growling and I could stand there with him without him growling, that I was there, then he could have the he can, he can have the food and everything. It was more of like a training thing.
Speaker 2:Because if you walk, near him he would growl. My other two don't do that. So now I can walk around, I can bang into him and I purposely do it sometimes, just so that I want to make sure he's still good with that.
Speaker 1:So I'll just kind of rub into him and just not hurt him right, Just to kind of nudge him or whatever, and he's just eating, no problem.
Speaker 2:He to kind of nudge him or whatever and he's just eating, no problem. He doesn't growl, he doesn't give you know, he doesn't get aggressive about it anyway. And that was the way chris approached it with us, the way to do it and with him. He noticed when we brought him over to him now he had us. He's like just let him go. He said we had him in the harness. She's like, let him go. He's very high energy where he's very aware of everything, because this dog he needs training, he wants the training is what he was saying to me. He was like, but he wants you to tell him sit down, come, because it was good for him, because he was so active and he was like there's nothing wrong with him, you just need to be doing applying more of these things with him so he will respond better. Is that something that?
Speaker 3:absolutely. Yeah, the dogs are looking for outlets. The dogs are not couch potatoes, right? The dogs want something to do, and so once they have that outlet rather is chase, capture, grab a little little, throwing the ball or something you know. Then you add some combos of just equations right Sit equals me throwing the ball.
Speaker 3:Then the dog is going to be way more likely to start sitting more than me to throw the ball Right, yep, and then anticipation is the first sign of learning, right? So the dog is going to be anticipating and then offering, hoping to get its reward because it's to its advantage, especially when he made this connection, right. So that's what I say, like the pair of dogs, like Bluetooth, right. So, just like how you mentioned, getting another way, it's a different equation. There's more than one way to get to the equation. Eight Most common people use four plus four, right, but there's six plus two, seven plus one, five plus three, right. So there's times that when a dog comes, the dog's unsure. It comes to my farm and it's like looking, it's all overwhelmed. I'm offering the treats. He's like no, I don't want the treats right now, right? Oh my God, if that was my only thing that I had to rely on, then what Is my session over, right? No?
Speaker 3:Right, I can keep going Right, because I know that once the dog starts getting comfortable, it's more than likely to start eating.
Speaker 3:Or if not, I'll have mom jump in and our dad, okay. And then the dog starts having fun. Then the dog is comfortable and then I already have seen transitions, and that's what this is like all about Knowing how to read dog and finding out something that the dog values Okay, right. And then being able to use that to my advantage Right. And then use it as a reward. So one of the first things I teach a dog is negative reinforcement Right. And with that it's like if I was standing behind you in line, if I tapped on your shoulder, what are you going to do? I'm going to turn around, right, and I say, hey, how's it going? I want you to have a good day. Here's a million dollars. How would you feel?
Speaker 2:excited pretty hot happy as fuck.
Speaker 3:See what I'm saying yeah, I teach you to love that tap right right okay, and then if you're distracted and you get hit a little bit harder, you're gonna turn around. Still, what's passion? Right gotcha you see what I'm saying, right, okay so I built that tap to come get money. Tap to come get money.
Speaker 4:And then later I use your name.
Speaker 3:And then the tap, then you get money. Then that's classical conditioning, got it Ah?
Speaker 4:See, I love it, man, Because it's just like a and.
Speaker 2:I think we make it more complicated. You know when we try to do it ourselves. You know what I mean and it try to do it ourselves. You know what I mean and it's really not that hard, and that's why you should go to the professional like you. So who could? Because we're also getting trained as well, right?
Speaker 3:oh, that's. That's the thing, though.
Speaker 2:I train you guys right, I can do it.
Speaker 3:I know how to do it yeah, and I make it look really easy and I make the connection with the dog and the dog's like oh, is you really smart? Just like no, we have this connection because my timing yeah consistent and I have the motivation, yeah, right so now I gotta pair you up with that right, right and stuff. But then you guys turn around and see the behavior a couple of times and thinking the dog is great.
Speaker 4:And then you start bluffing and then not paying and the dog says oh he's not paying yeah right and then he's not yeah, I'm not working, no more yeah, right because there's there's still other levels that we have to complete. Right.
Speaker 3:Right, we have the dog to fully understand the full exercise. Most people get say to tell the dog to sit and then when the dog sits he gets to treat. The dog gets up, it's the end of the exercise. Like no, I teach a release command, so it's a built-in stay, right. So then, later I do little booby traps. I might go right. The dog gets up. I'll teach him to ignore that and then wait for the free, got it. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Yeah so.
Speaker 3:I start leveling up. So when I'm in public I tell my dog to sit. Somebody say, oh, your dog is such a good boy. My dog will still get happy, but still be sitting there, right, he won't move. Because I condition him to ignore that Right and Right and wait for the free.
Speaker 4:There you go. Now, how long did it take you to recondition the human to be able to do that with their puppies or their dogs?
Speaker 3:Every human and every dog. Yeah, they're on their own levels. Man, really, I get people that come in and they're pretty coordinated and stuff like that and they can rock out, Right. And then I gather people that you know take a little more time, need a little more practice, right, you know. So you know everybody is the same thing with the dog. I get dogs that will come in, be comfortable in the environment, go right after the tug stuff like that, drive right into it and it's worth the correction. Okay, dog, that means that if now there's a truck outside and I said there's a billion dollars in there, if you can get it, you can have it. Are you in?
Speaker 4:Hell, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:So now I got your attention. If I put lava on the ground, are you going to run over it?
Speaker 4:No, run over it. For a billion, for a billion, for a billion dollars, I can get a prosthetic. Then, yeah, you see what I'm saying, right, right, yeah, yeah, I could put glass on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah right right for me. You're not stopping me, unless you put a harness on me right, okay, because I'm gonna be running my fastest and I'm gonna blow through this, right, okay, right, because if it's not gonna kill me, I'm, I'm going for it. Okay, a billion dollars, right, fair enough. Think about this. Yep, right, if I set this up for you right now and that money's in there and they say hey, if you can get it, you can have it.
Speaker 2:Yep, you're going to figure out a way to do it, right.
Speaker 3:Don't you go. Yes, I'm in. Yes, okay, my finances is like nowhere near there, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I'm over, right, so yeah. So with that, if you put a harness on me, that's the only way you're gonna stop me. And then, not only that, I might try again. Yeah right, so then if I give up and then whoever's running the show turns around and gives me like a half a bill for just trying, I'll look at you like, wait, I just went through all that pain and suffering. Avoid that. I could have avoided all that.
Speaker 4:Oh, and just sat here and got a half.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so then tomorrow I'll bring you and I'll ask you the same question, right and now you get to make a choice.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what are you?
Speaker 3:doing? You going to go through all this pain and suffering, or are you going to sit here and take this half?
Speaker 4:Right, you're not entitled.
Speaker 3:I provide Right ecology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I got I gotta capture you. So now, if I bring dog out, right depends on this levels, right, and if you know so, I want the dog to be engaged. Like there's nothing, like all I have eyes is for you, yep, right, I want to be connected. So I condition my dog to accept what I offer.
Speaker 3:So I make the dog work for kibble I make them work for as essential food, right for what you need to survive. Yep, because if you blow me off and probably like looking and chasing up that bird's more important, I'm gonna take that portion out gotcha and give you another opportunity tomorrow. Yep, right. And then later, now I got you working for your food, so that now, when I offer that hot dog, I just have more value. So now I more value. So now I got my 50 bucks, now I got my 100 bucks.
Speaker 4:I see. I see what you're saying yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:You're up the ante for them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's because I don't want to stay boring.
Speaker 2:Right, Otherwise they're not going to get it or they're going to continue to go after it.
Speaker 3:So science says a predictable reward system is boring. An unpredictable reward system is fun Right.
Speaker 4:That makes sense. Yeah, all day long, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so now, if it's predictable, you know it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:So now, how much harder is it for you to train, say, a rescue, you know like? Is it that much harder because you don't know their background, as opposed to a puppy? That it's, you know, like new learning.
Speaker 3:Let's say for me not so much.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:Because you know I'm in tune with the dog, right? I find out very quick about the dogs. Don't lie when it comes to their biology, right? So you're not going to like you know, you know fib about how they feel.
Speaker 2:Because they could have. They could have, they could have come from an abusive home right, or they could have been abandoned somewhere and somebody picked them up and then they went to. You know, like there's other things incorporated, there's times.
Speaker 3:Look, I went into a house that I was getting ready to knock on the door and I heard so much yelling and screaming inside that house that I was getting ready to turn around and walk away. Right, to turn around and walk away, right, right, it was like toxic, right. And I sat there for a few and as I was getting ready to walk away, the door opens. I'm like, oh man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they caught you. I'm sorry, I didn't do this man?
Speaker 3:And what blew me away the most is when she answered the door. She was completely normal. Hi come yeah.
Speaker 2:Right but wait before you look for the Because it was like a two-faced thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but were they yelling at the animals? Or to each other, no to each other, Okay okay, At least at that moment right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Who kept the door? No, I don't want the door.
Speaker 3:It wasn't about. Yeah, it was just going back and forth. I'm see the tents and everything, so I can see the dog was luring me. He actually almost caught my finger and stuff like that. So that dog no training, no nothing just got out of that environment and went to another house and was fine, ooh.
Speaker 2:Right Because, like human beings, if you're in a toxic situation, you're going to act out.
Speaker 3:You're going to be in a certain way, yeah. So it's not like just written in stone right, okay, but it but a lot of these things too, because when you see a dog, you know about genetics, right, and you see him outside of the environment, the dog's comfortable, really kind of stable, nothing really bothering him relaxed this dad and the third but when he goes back into the house, that's when he's tense, right. So now, dogs, we understand triggers and stuff like that Right.
Speaker 3:So we can anticipate and predict what's going to go on. So, out of the house. The dog's fine Inside the house. That's where the dog's fine, that's where his taxes are. Take the dog out of the environment. It's an easy fix.
Speaker 2:Put him in a place where.
Speaker 3:Work on them. And that can be the same thing with barking too, or even with being inside the crate. So sometimes it's changing, putting a crate from one room into another room, because inside the other room the dog hasn't been in there yet. So now it's like a different environment. So now I might not be comfortable enough to bark. Give me enough time to be able to take him in and out while he is quiet, so I can start up the whole process again.
Speaker 3:So, that small change can be my thing that I need to make that big difference, that window right To make that difference, gotcha so once you have these little things in your back pocket, you already know how to play with things and you can manipulate things a little bit more to learn more about the dog or be, able to help speed things up. It's just fun stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4:I'm loving it.
Speaker 3:It's nerdy stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, All day dude.
Speaker 3:All day stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, all day, dude all day major nerds right now, but I literally call myself that the dog nerd so yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:So that's why I like the hard stuff, because the easy stuff too easy right easy, like I like to be challenged yes, right, right, you know. So you know a lot of times when dog no go ahead. Oh, so a lot of times when dogs are in the house and people are looking for the dogs to be more comfortable out the house. Why does the dog have to be comfortable out the house? Because he gets everything that he needs in the house.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:He's getting fed, he's getting love, he's on the couch he gets played with whenever he wants. So stop giving him everything in the house, make him go outside and get it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man Gotcha. So I start With the food.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, it's been proven in research that no healthy dog will starve himself to death, right, right.
Speaker 2:So I just take the food, I just throw it in the backyard and I'm going to go eat it, because if he doesn't, the birds aren't Right. Right, someone's going to get it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, man.
Speaker 3:And then when push comes to shove, right dog's going to eat that's. It's like the same thing as the game show Survivor, right, right. I'll never eat that. I'll never, yeah, until you put me on an island.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to survive. I have the will to survive. Yeah, I got kids to come back to. Yeah, also, you know family, I'm surviving.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man, yeah Makes sense. Yeah, yeah man, yeah makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause I don't like fish, so I'd be stuck on that island so basically, yeah, I turn the dog back into a hunter and make him go work for his exercise so he gets back into his natural instincts and goes that's the best way works for him. Yeah, that's awesome that's what a lot of trainers when we say we unlock the dog. Yeah, yeah, that there. Block the dog.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. All right, that's great stuff. That is freaking awesome, bro, I mean, and it's crazy because you never think of how much sense that makes. You know what I'm saying. Like I said, I see my daughter has a dog and you know, it took her a little bit. She was, she's straight, you know, she's military. So she's like ah, er, er. And then the dog give me a puppy. Oh my god, oh my god, give me a puppy. I'm like, stop kissing up on the dog like you gotta follow through. You can't just you know that's it and keep it moving you wanna reward him when he can't, when he's supposed to she started to learn that.
Speaker 4:you know, of course, granted, you know she's not where she should be. You know where she wants to be, but you know she's getting there and you know, like I said, she's been training him and stricted with the puppy so well he's not even a puppy anymore.
Speaker 2:You know what? Now you can get in touch with her Exactly.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying yeah for sure, they definitely train you, though, if you don't train them.
Speaker 4:Although, when we had our dog like every, every time it was like around, like dinner time, she would start barking at them. Yeah, I want to eat. I want to eat, yeah, yeah, see, that's an internal clock yeah, right right, and then that we call pushy dog right.
Speaker 3:So something like that the dog's predictable, so this is at four o'clock, right, the dog does it. So at45, I put lead on dog, dog do it. I can pump dog, I can address dog. Ooh yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:So you know that's how you change the little game, because the dog is. You already know what the dog is going to do.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I show you what to do and how to get ahead of it, you know gonna do, yeah. So when I show you what to do and how to get ahead of it, you know things like that. So these animals are so clever, right, and so after doing dog training and stuff and people like to humanize this is the story I tell them when it comes to payment systems. I used to be playing on the playground at family function and then my uncle will call me off the playground to go get him a beer from the cooler, right, okay, but he'll be just waving his hand at me. I'll be like, nope, I'm not going Right, right. Then he'll call me a couple of moments later, waving with one hand, with the other hand on his back.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there you go. He's going to give you money or something.
Speaker 3:I said, guys, I'll be right back.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:So now you take the dog trainer that has the pouch in front of him.
Speaker 4:Right, I know she's paying. Yeah, put the pouch behind her.
Speaker 3:She's not paying. The behavior goes away.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is awesome. I like that bro.
Speaker 2:It's so cool how? Because we complicate it, you know, because we don't know. But when you get someone like you who knows that, and it just makes sense, and you're like, okay, that makes sense. That works you know that works. You know, don't worry, we're going to be in touch because my dogs need some work.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'll make you work too. Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:Yep, and let me tell you, overall they're good dogs but there were some things that they definitely can use some, you know, work on and correcting, but overall they're, you know, like they're crate, trained at night. Like I said I told you earlier, they're bonded right. So originally we were going to separate them and it was just not working to have them both in the different kennels but they were so connected to another because they were the last two of the litter so they were together and I think that when you looked at all the other pictures they were always together. I'm like you know what they're bonded, leave them in there, they're fine. But they know that the kennel is theirs. That's where they go. When they have to go at night to go to bed, kennel, you go right in, open the door and I close and Jeter goes right to his kennel. He knows, I don't even have to tell him, he just goes and he goes right in. So we did certain things right and I know there were certain things we didn't really follow up well enough on.
Speaker 2:And so we're going to have to work on that, but overall I love them. You know that's my family, so you know we take care of them. We're always looking out for them.
Speaker 2:You know, sure that is great and that's why I wanted to have you on too, because I'm like that when I was talking about it, I'm like that would be a really good podcast to have on, and I'm glad we had you on for this, because that just everything you were saying, or what you were talking about, was just even for you, kenny, because Kenny's not really a dog guy. Well, I'm allergic to all so for him it's easy because he doesn't have to worry about it. He can pet them and everything.
Speaker 2:And he won't get, he won't break out or anything like that but he was, you know, because he's allergic, so he really never was. But I'm sure this was good for you too, right?
Speaker 4:because it's so educated and it's just mind blowing yeah, but I know so many people that have pets. You know that just hearing everything that you said tonight changes their thought process. You know what I'm saying. So it's always that little thing like you're saying. It's that little thing that's like, ah, boom, now that makes sense. The three of us sat here like no shit. He's got dogs and he's saying get the fuck out of here. Oh, my God that makes sense.
Speaker 2:When I watched Cesar Millan a lot of the stuff you were saying I was like this guy must be like, oh, in a sense like a clone in a sense, because a lot of things you were saying like the way he speaks. You know, we humanize the dog we're their worst enemy.
Speaker 2:Because we make those right and when he talks about it you're like, oh man, so easy. And when he gets the dog, like you would just say, when you have the dog, the dog already knows you're connected, you, he knows. It's amazing to watch and it's like wow. And people look at him like how the fuck did he just do that? Yeah, he just met this freaking dog and he's sort of let me change the leash, let me do this, and then he's got.
Speaker 3:You know, you know one of the best things that I do. That really blows people's minds when they think they have an aggressive dog, right, right, and what I end up doing is taking the dog in my possession. So if they hold the dog close with one hand by like the buckle, and with the other hand they're going to extend the leash out to me and then they're going to move away from the dog, right, the dog is not aggressive, it's not going to turn and try to attack me. He's going to be more concerned where mom and dad's at.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:So he's going to be dogging in the middle? Yes, getting over there, yeah Right. So then what I end up doing? I pressure on, pressure off, so I'll take the dog to mom and dad and the dog does this, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I do like a little light countdown and then I'll pump and I'll make the dog walk away, to walk back, to walk away, to walk back, once the dog starts to understand oh, oh.
Speaker 2:I'm coming back and stuff like that. You'll see the dog shake body language, starts moving around. Then I start being able to start moving right away. Dog doesn't want to bite.
Speaker 3:You know, it's just like an anxiety thing, almost in a sense. Right, it's a it's, it's a back door out of stressful situations, okay okay, I got so they will start to learn that I behave this way either they leave or we leave okay right you, things like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because a lot of in that times, whoever's handling that dog is insecure as well. Mm-hmm, right, Right. So a lot of that tension and insecurity is coming pulled up from the leash Right. So that's like being in a barber chair and then the barber's getting ready to line up your beard and he's shaking.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm Right, hell yeah.
Speaker 3:And he's sweating.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You going to let him touch you?
Speaker 4:No, yeah, bro, right, you're going to cut me Back off, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:So you want to be confident. So one of those things. In those situations, I instill confidence into mom and dad.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:Because one of the first things I showed them is that the dog does not, is not going to bite, right, right, because you can't think in that situation, right, because you can reach to the point of no learning when you're in that stressful situation. Here's another example there's no cure for being scared of heights, right yeah.
Speaker 2:I know it.
Speaker 3:At five feet you catch a ball a hundred percent right. You're're not bothered, so I quickly move to 10 feet. 10 feet you're catching a 65, you're sweating and you're looking over the edge.
Speaker 3:You're not passing, you're not, you're not failing but, there's a lot of room to work when you move to the next level. Ideally I like to try again to the 90s, right, because anything under 90s and stuff like that if you move too fast, right, right you get. You get to the next level, you can be laying flat. You've reached a point of no learning.
Speaker 4:Right Gotcha.
Speaker 3:Right. So in certain situations you're just going to max out.
Speaker 1:That makes sense.
Speaker 3:Right To get to that threshold. When you start to desensitize the dog and start doing like that and at that point reading the dog's body language and you can understand its threshold, pressure on, pressure off right, and then by that time you have a reward, and even the reward of taking the pressure off is a reward itself so the dog is basically telling you already, yeah, but then now the dog is going to get comfortable, that I'm comfortable in the situation and I'm going to display that through the leash and through the exercise I'm going to do, because now if I teach a dog so you see a lot of these training platforms right that the dog has to stand on this elevator.
Speaker 4:Right yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, so we're holding them accountable having to stay there. Okay, so it's like a Skinner box, right, so you have to wait till the command to come off. Right? So after the dog learns this exercise right and save his cars that he wants to go after, I can put them on the platform and if he breaks it to go after the car and at that moment I can use negative reinforcement that later would turn into a correction okay right, so that later he's not going to be worried about the cars, he's going to probably be more worried about staying on the platform to avoid.
Speaker 3:And then now he, now he gets feeding. Now, now he gets the food now he gets now he gets released and go play tug right, because the cars are not really an issue. It's his behavior, it's his decision for running and going after them, right. So I don't do nothing unless you do something.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:So in a low distraction I'll have the dog learn the advantage of all these fun things that happen on his platform.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:And then teach him what happens if he jumps off on his own Later. In practice he'll just get those little reminders that you have to stay on.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:And then, as you get better right, I'm going to start holding you more accountable to. That Makes sense, man, that makes sense.
Speaker 4:That's good stuff, man. Damn Well with that, my brother.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you being here, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with us. That was great, that went fast. Yeah, told you guys, told.
Speaker 2:It's going to be good, told you and I was telling you earlier, right, once the conversation goes and it takes time yeah bro, and it just flies, man, and it's always a good time. So, that being said, my friend.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bro, appreciate you being here again, thank you so much, man.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4:Thanks for coming With that. Thank you all for watching.
