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Reinterpreting Forrest Gump and Unveiling Movie Secrets: Autism Perspectives, Nostalgic Memories, and Intricate Sci-Fi Theories
Could Forrest Gump actually be a portrayal of someone on the autism spectrum rather than having a low IQ? You'll be intrigued by our discussion as we explore this thought-provoking theory. We'll take a closer look at Forrest's social interactions, his literal interpretation of language, and his extraordinary talents in specific areas like ping pong and rifle assembly. By examining these traits, we make the case for a new perspective on this beloved character, showing how his unique methods and viewpoints led to his remarkable successes.
Next, we embark on a nostalgic journey through classic films that have etched themselves into our cultural memory. Reminisce with us about the unforgettable scenes in "Forrest Gump," from the happy face t-shirt moment to Forrest's fortuitous Apple investments. Then, step into the eccentric world of "Beetlejuice" as we uncover intriguing fan theories, such as Beetlejuice's role as a Punisher of the Deceased. Both films are celebrated for their timeless charm and the enduring joy they bring to audiences.
Finally, we connect the dots between different movie universes with some fascinating fan theories. We clarify misconceptions about "Thing" from the Addams Family and the hand from Evil Dead, and share a fun fact about the real-life inspiration behind the Addams Family house. Then, dive into the complex lore of the Matrix series, exploring hidden alliances and the cyclical nature of Zion's destruction. We wrap up by navigating through the intricate timelines of Star Trek and Star Wars, emphasizing the deep enjoyment these iconic sci-fi franchises offer to their devoted fans. Join us for an episode filled with intriguing insights and delightful nostalgia!
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, kenny Cotman Lewis.
Speaker 1:Crawford and I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy.
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Speaker 2:Exactly Good shit. Well, welcome home. Good stuff we missed you. Yeah, we missed you.
Speaker 1:We missed you so glad you're back, glad you're feeling better.
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Speaker 1:Fucking A man. What?
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Speaker 1:It's life, take life, take the punches, take the ebbs and flows, as they say.
Speaker 3:It never goes the way.
Speaker 1:We always want it to right it Right when he got some, that's true, right, right, because I didn't have to take extra time away from work. You were already getting paid, so it didn't matter, it's all gravy baby.
Speaker 3:It's all good man, that's all it is.
Speaker 1:So, yeah. So today I wanted to do a fun type of podcast. You know there's a lot of fan theories out there about different things, so I figured um.
Speaker 1:you know, we all know the movie forrest gump right, everybody loves the movie forrest gump it's a movie it's on you just kind of watch it and um so my fan theory is is that they specified that gump had a low iq, and I do don't think that he had a low intelligence. I think he had autism spectrum disorder, fair enough, and I'm going to give some examples of why I think that okay. So, um, you know.
Speaker 3:First of all, this is theory also shared with other fans too as well. It's one that I came up, all right, but I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't be surprised, though, if other people have that theory.
Speaker 1:I'm sure if I look it up I'll find a heretic or something you probably do it right now if you wanted to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then I want to hear what you're thinking, because it makes sense. Yeah, go for it. I want to hear it. So first you know when maybe used the term for someone like idiot savant or something like that, which is very offensive.
Speaker 1:You don't say idiot but right, you know what I mean. But like, yes, I know what you mean, people will say just savant right, but I heard, savant is a bad word too. Now yeah, yeah, because it's associated with the word idiot okay, so I'm making, oh my god. So but anyway, not to get off topic right, you know what I'm saying, so like so back then they didn't have those testings.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they didn't know then took an iq test that might have been different and he might not score different things based on that. So, uh, so, yes, I want to give some examples. Like um, you know his interactions. You know social uh challenges. You know, um, what I have written down here. Uh, you know he misunderstood, he'll misunderstand, understand like idioms, or have to literally be told things, which is very uh, you know, because people with autism disorder take things very literally so when they told him to run, he would just run and not stop yeah actually, when he was playing football, he would have to stop, and that's also another thing I want to bring up.
Speaker 1:He went to college and got a college degree. You can't have a low intelligence if you have a college degree. Even if you are the lowest scoring, you can't have a low intelligence.
Speaker 3:Because we have a way of figuring it out and doing it our way, where we can understand it. So that's what he did. That's the our way where we can understand it Right. So that's what he did.
Speaker 1:That's how, the only way he could because that's that was his way, and he did it without special help, If you know he was if you have ADHD or autism spectrum disorder or any kind of learning disability. They actually have resources now in colleges where they'll get note takers like they'll go Does anybody want to take notes for a special needs person? And they'll actually have someone take notes and copy them for you because you're rocks. So you know there's all kinds of special and he did it without that. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean right right yeah, so I go along with that and the way he spoke, the way he, so that's where his social interactions in the movie that. That too would be considered.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. So, just like very commonly with people with autism spectrum disorder, they tend to excel at certain things and they are very proficient. And just because their mind works differently and he actually broke remember the company record with assembling a rifle oh yeah, right you know, do whatever.
Speaker 3:You tell me to drill sergeant exactly and he goes, god damn it.
Speaker 1:You must have an action.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean but like then he tells him to take it apart. Do it again.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, but like he took things very literally and that's why he did so well in.
Speaker 3:Boot Camp.
Speaker 1:Because he just do whatever the sergeant tells you to do.
Speaker 2:He's like, hey, yeah, la la Great movie, though that would be dude. He was autistic.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He was autistic, and then he was good at everything. Though he was good at everything, he had just that, and he, you know, and like very routine and repetition.
Speaker 1:Right, you know he did like, he liked certain things, yeah, and like, even like he's like, and I cut the grass for free, you know he just enjoyed doing that.
Speaker 3:But I like my ping pong battle mama.
Speaker 1:And you know.
Speaker 3:I know Forrest, you know same thing he excelled at ping pong.
Speaker 1:Oh my God Right. You know he was playing China. You know, like the ping pong champions of the world, it's a good story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, when he thought of that story, it was great. Now then, when he ran across America and back right, would that be part of his autism? Because nobody told him to run, he just felt like running. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he just kept it going. So that would be.
Speaker 2:Felt like running. Yeah, that's insane, that's wild.
Speaker 3:He was rich already, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1:And that's another thing, too, With people who are autistic they're just going to do whatever they're going to do. They don't care about what social so he's just stepped out of the house and just kept running. That has nothing to do with low intelligence.
Speaker 2:No right.
Speaker 1:If he were low intelligence, he might not be able to take care of himself in certain ways.
Speaker 3:It would be like much different. So that's my fan theory. So we can, you know, yeah, no, yeah, that's good man, that's good shit. Yeah, I, I think, listen the movie anytime it's on, right, you want to watch it? You stop. I usually stop as soon as I see it and I watch it, you know, and it's usually a good spot. And it winds up landing on.
Speaker 2:There's no bad spot exactly. The movie is great from beginning to end you know, when you're flipping whatever, like oh, oh yeah, this is it. There was nothing else on there or you didn't have anything else, but I was just gonna.
Speaker 1:I just brought up those as talking talking points, but you know, like, even like you know he had, he took care of his kid, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He was able to do that.
Speaker 1:Like you know, he's not if he had like low intelligence yeah he'd have like a lot more limitations. He really didn't have too many limitations, he just had low social iq, which is right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, and again they fig, we figure it out you know, we have people who actually live today, who have many different types of things right and they figure it out. Yeah, unfortunately, some have a harder time doing it, but they, you know well, he was taught all these things too, like you know his mom, yeah, by his mom, and you know they just said this way he can, would be able, could take care of himself.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying so. They taught him, she taught him all of his his, just to live, how to live. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Go ahead where you, smiling at what you got no, no, no, I just you know, I was thinking of the movie, you know? Yeah, yeah I'm.
Speaker 2:You know, I was doing the same thing I was thinking of a scene in the movie yeah, but like a lot of different social things that, like, most people wouldn't do.
Speaker 1:But, like they always put it, they tried making it like as if he had low intelligence, like right, you know what I mean. If you just look at what he does and how he does it, he it's not like he didn't understand that, like he didn't understand certain social things, but it's very common with people regardless, he still wasn't rude or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Right so now you know, it's just a very matter of fact.
Speaker 3:yeah, he said what was on his mind. There's another term for that too, isn't there? What's the other other than autism?
Speaker 1:Oh, asperger's, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:He probably has a little of that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, listen, he, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, no, like in, like the same thing. You know some, sometimes people with asd or just autism, whatever you want to say. Uh, they have they. They have their attachments to certain things like his shoes. Remember he kept all right, yeah, he didn't even change them. Yeah, he had a you know, an attachment to him because you know he got them from. Jenny bought them, jenny, it wasn't his mom. Yeah, jenny, jenny, yeah, jenny, yeah, jenny, jenny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jenny, hi, jenny, yeah, listen. It's crazy because you know, even like when he was at war and he ran and started pulling all the guys back, when he ran out to the middle of the field and everybody's shooting. I got to get Bubba yeah so he, you know, went out there and got him and stuff. So I mean it's one of those things that he just knew what he was supposed to go. Do you know? And social skills you let go.
Speaker 1:He was a focus. He will follow directions to the letter, to the letter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, when he was talking to the president.
Speaker 1:Or at least attempt to get it. And same thing. The other thing, like when you're still you're like, oh the I got pay scene, that's a low social IQ.
Speaker 3:Right social iq you right no one would normally do that, like in the middle of like meeting the president saying yes, I'll pay. What do you what? How do you feel I got paid?
Speaker 2:yeah, or like, or like I'd like to see that someday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got shot in the butt, but what about when he says you've been on shrimp up before? No, but I've been on a real big boat, yeah, yeah right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:You see. So it's just all those things Shrimp boat, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the movie, yeah, yeah. And then I was like holy shit, haven't I missed that, you know? And I was like, wow, yeah, shrimp boat, little boat, it was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was like an easy thing. Almost anybody who hasn't seen that movie you need to. You gotta see that movie well, rent it uh yeah, for sure, whatever, because uh, yeah, I don't even know if it was you know what it is?
Speaker 1:it just it, it. The movie itself is so good because it goes through history Like you're just watching history happen throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 3:He's like involved in every spot for some reason. You know, of course. And then some of his own story too, like the running story.
Speaker 1:But even with the running story, like he met the guy with the face, the happy face, the happy face.
Speaker 3:Nobody likes this color, right yeah.
Speaker 2:With the sneakers. It was the new balance.
Speaker 3:You stepped in a big pile of dog shit. Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1:And then they show the car crashing with the bumper stickers Great movie. It's a really, really great movie.
Speaker 3:Great movie.
Speaker 2:It's a really, really good movie. It really is. It's super worth the watch. You know it's not like oh, I just wasted two hours of my life watching this shit.
Speaker 3:It's a good movie. No, no, no. Yeah the movie flies. Yeah, the movie flies, it's good, it's interesting Because you're so involved, right away, you know, regardless of where you fall up, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just that guy for me, I bug out. I like the part when he's sitting on the bench and he's just telling his story Story To just everybody. That just comes in.
Speaker 3:We were sitting next to a millionaire. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Get out of my head. Yeah, I was just going to say that we were sitting next to a millionaire, and that's what it was you know he's a rich dude. You know he didn't even realize like I am, and then he fucking pulls it out yes, man, we got more money than davy crockett yeah, that's funny. And he invested in apple in the 80s, right yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude, it's crazy's crazy. It's a really really good movie. It's a good movie.
Speaker 3:There's always something in that movie yeah, always, and it's always funny.
Speaker 2:You watch it over and over again, and it's you know, it'll become everybody's you know Black Panther Party was.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was the crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, legs like yeah, he took it literally. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yep, right, yeah, magic legs, yeah, oh that's.
Speaker 1:That's a good scene in the movie too, when he goes. Do you know what it's like not to walk?
Speaker 2:I do yeah, yeah, that's right, because he had polio right no, everybody's like you're different.
Speaker 3:For us you're just like everybody else yeah yeah, yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1:have his back was crooked. Yeah, he had like something was up with his spine.
Speaker 3:They had to correct his back.
Speaker 1:But for some reason.
Speaker 3:Once he straightened out when he walks into the room. We sure did get you straightened out, boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like it was their thing, like they did it Meanwhile because he was running.
Speaker 3:Well no, the braces got him to get where he was because he wore them for a certain amount of time and then he just finally didn't need them anymore. He busted out of them. Those kids were chasing him.
Speaker 2:That was probably for me. I think that was my ultimate favorite, as he's running and the braces just break and he just became something different.
Speaker 3:He was gone, bro, he sure is running forward.
Speaker 2:He is a running fool. Yeah, I think that was my favorite. That was one of those things that I think that was one of those things that you know. I think that was great movie. It just broke for him that he became a new person, but all right, cool.
Speaker 3:I remember the first time I saw that. I saw that with. I was actually in the city. I saw it at Frankie's house because that was the year that we won the Stanley Cup and I was at his apartment in Brooklyn and we went to see the parade and I was hanging out with him. Pretty sure that was what it was. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he introduced me to that movie and I watched it with him. So you mean, as the Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup, watch the face, see the face, look at the face, look at the face.
Speaker 3:No, we actually played the Devils and knocked them out and went to the Cup.
Speaker 2:Okay, there you go. Yeah, I just had to do that to to you, because you're like this mother. And then we beat the Canucks, right, right.
Speaker 3:And then Frankie and I went to the parade. We had pictures, everything. Yeah, we got like some. Yeah. But he introduced me to that movie and then from that point on it was I was sold yeah absolutely For sure. All right, your movie. No, no, no you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 3:You're second man. No, I got my phone, my hand's in the back, see Yours is already ready.
Speaker 3:Well, honestly, I didn't really have one, so I thought of something that would be a good one. Okay, so I picked out Beetlejuice. Ah, the good one's coming out. There are several fan theories about 1988 movie Beetlejuice that delve into hidden meaning, character motivations, connections to other works. Here are a few popular ones Beetlejuice as a Punisher of the Deceased. One theory suggests that Beetlejuice is not a mischievous poltergeist but a Punisher of the Dead. His role is to torment those who fail to navigate to the afterlife properly. Interesting this idea comes from the fact that he is summoned when the Maitlands, who are new to being ghosts, mess up their haunting attempts.
Speaker 1:That's when he shows up too remember. When they see the ad Beetleguise, beetleguise, beetleguise. Yeah, I'm pronouncing it wrong. Yeah, he was young in that movie, he was young, he was thin too. Beatlegeist, yeah, beatlegeist, beatlegeist, yeah, yeah, right, he was young in that movie, he was young, he was thin too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was. Yeah, I was bugging out Because I was telling somebody else about it, about the movie, and like, oh yeah, we're talking about the people that were in it. So yeah, bro, that's true, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff and now that the new one's coming out I'm looking forward to it. I'm trying to figure.
Speaker 1:I would like to see what the story's about Wednesday is is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is is is is, is is is had a near-death experience before the events of the movie.
Speaker 3:This would explain her fascination with death and her unique ability to see the maelons. As it suggests, only those who have had a brush with death can see ghosts. Near-death experience, the NDE? Yeah, it could be. She could. That's pretty cool. I never even thought of it like that and I didn't even know or think that she would have that.
Speaker 2:She was just gothy, no she yeah yeah, because, uh, I mean, in all honesty, think about it how she was, but the things that she was doing and how she felt, you know what I mean, like as far as ghosts and the whole supernatural thing, you know she was, she probably tried, she probably did something before they moved out to that house, right you?
Speaker 3:Well, she got hurt and almost died, right. And then now she was fascinated, like they said. Yeah, that's pretty interesting, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense. I'm stuck too, although I doubt that, beetlejuice being the-, I can't wait to see the movie. Yeah, no, you said the keeper of the dead kind of thing. Yes, like that. The keeper of, uh, oh, yeah, that kind of yes, like that's. Yeah, that's way groovy, just to keep them on a check. So he was the cop.
Speaker 3:The matrilineal are in purgatory. See now I thought that too. A common theory is that the matrilineal are not just ghosts but are stuck in a form of purgatory. The strange rules of the afterlife and the bureaucracy they have to deal with suggests that they are in trans transitional state, neither fully dead nor able to move on.
Speaker 2:See, I wouldn't have, so they're stuck. Oh yeah, because then they had to go to the office and they- should make an entertaining for you though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2:That was great.
Speaker 1:The little freaking shrunken head I, I like the guy, the guy who was flattened. Oh yeah, and he's got a special thing where they hung him on a nose line remember.
Speaker 3:And they put him right into the wall Because he was flattened by a truck.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. Yeah, no, but that makes sense. The purgatory makes sense. I could see that. Yeah absolutely, because they couldn't leave the house afterlife, like that and like you said, yeah, or the red tape that they had to go through.
Speaker 3:follow the light, yeah, well. I don't know and you know what, just pay attention, make like you're getting corrective surgery on your eyes or something.
Speaker 1:Speaking of Beetlejuice, it's clear that he was poisoned or something.
Speaker 3:That's how he died, because he has like the green vomit. You should look that up. I don't have that on here, but that'd be interesting to find out. I have another thing here, if you'd like to hear it.
Speaker 1:He's just got black eyes, but he's got the green crust coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 3:Beetlejuice origins. A docker theory posts that Beetlejuice was once human and became a malevolent spirit after death. Some fans believe he may have been a corrupt or evil individual in life which led to his grotesque appearance and chaotic behavior in the afterlife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting. Yeah, okay, that makes sense, that makes sense For sure.
Speaker 1:He does have superpowers too, compared to other ghosts, if you think about it. He just made a brothel appear in the model town. You see him.
Speaker 2:He's like hey.
Speaker 3:He's sitting down in the car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's dancing. You know what's the?
Speaker 1:funniest thing, because Chase watched the first video, the scene when he's doing that, when he's dressed as the cowboy, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that was great because, yeah, it was his ad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that so mike keaton was perfect for that, mike keaton oh yeah, dude, he's, he is, he was.
Speaker 2:He's also a funny guy too, yeah he's an all-around actor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a good actor.
Speaker 2:It would probably be better to watch the original before you watch the new one now, because you've got to refresh the memory. Bro, you have to refresh the memory.
Speaker 1:That's a movie we end up watching every year Around Halloween.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Gets a free grab on his wife.
Speaker 1:And, of course, nightmare Before Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, we all love that shit. Yeah, I wonder why Gina Davis wasn't in it, at least.
Speaker 3:I don't know, but she is what's? Her name is in.
Speaker 1:She moved on. I guess Maybe she moved.
Speaker 3:The young girl is in. What's her name again? Come on, we just lost her name.
Speaker 2:Lydia Winona Ryder thank you but Winona's daughter is.
Speaker 1:I can't think of her name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she plays, yeah, wednesday which is a great show too. I'm waiting for that to come back. That was awesome.
Speaker 2:That was great. Yeah, no, that's. But I'm telling you, man, that's another good movie. I mean it's different from from Forrest gump, you know what I mean like.
Speaker 2:But it's just, it's a good funny movie. You know, depending on how you watch movies, how you watch tv, it makes you think differently. You know I mean about what death is gonna look like, how it could look, because you know every time you see it. You know, like. I remember there was a show I watched a long time ago called purgatory. So that's why you saying that they were in Purgatory makes sense to me. So Purgatory people say that there's not.
Speaker 3:I know what Purgatory is, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. But they say there's no such thing as Purgatory.
Speaker 3:You either get it or you're here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But in the movie Purgatory. This was where they had to prove themselves before they were able to move on to heaven right, there was a step right.
Speaker 3:Egyptians have that too.
Speaker 2:I believe they ask you a question or something.
Speaker 3:What that is, but yeah so they believe that when you go to the next life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then it makes sense that they didn't go straight to right and that that's the trials and tribulations that they had to go through, you know, I mean in order to, uh, the red tape and stuff that they had to go through. That makes sense, sense, man.
Speaker 3:I like that. I can see that happening. That makes sense If you don't have anything settled or something you didn't get.
Speaker 2:Yeah because it was a total shock. You died a fucked up way.
Speaker 3:Right yeah.
Speaker 1:Excuse my.
Speaker 2:French. They went. It happened so sudden, Right. You know what I mean it was just like a Big accident. Right. And so then, yeah, they didn't even know they were gone, because they woke up in the house. Right, right, they fell up.
Speaker 3:They went into the water from the bridge.
Speaker 2:They thought that they had Because the dog jumped off the plank Right.
Speaker 3:Exactly it was like a cartoon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 3:Then they didn't even know that they had passed they didn't even know that they passed and they walk into the right, yeah it was years later, kind of thing before.
Speaker 2:Well, months later, I guess. Well, it was like a year later, I think. Because when they, when the other people came in, they're like why are they moving? Into our house kind of thing. So yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was. It was a good flick yes, that was a good one, definitely. That was really good. What else would they say was a a fan theory?
Speaker 3:in there. See a docket theory, uh. A docket theory, uh, persists. Beetlejuice was once human and became a mevalent spirit. I just read that, I'm sorry. In the movie Beetlejuice, the character Beetlejuice doesn't have an explicit backstory explaining how he died. However, there are hints and clues that fans have pieced together over the years, so hang out pieced together over the years.
Speaker 3:So hang out. In one scene, Juno, Maitland's afterlife caseworker, refers to Beetlejuice as a former assistant who went rogue to suggest that they might have had a job similar to Juno's before his death, helping the deceased navigate the afterlife. His behavior and appearance imply that he may have abused the powers or done something terrible wrong, leading to his current state in a chaotic, immeasurable spirit.
Speaker 1:Well, he's clearly got like antisocial.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. He's not Forrest Gump, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:He was probably like he was probably, you know, with them. You know he's probably helping these new spirits out and he's like you know what, let's go, let's go, let's go have these people up in the in the house let's, let's go, let's go mess with this sucker. All right, you know right and then started, you know, and then they were like you know, and going too far with it. You know what I mean that makes sense too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool, yeah because that is the backstory. She said he was you know, they worked together.
Speaker 1:She said like assistant or something Right, so yeah, that's way cool.
Speaker 2:That's way cool. Which one are you looking at right now?
Speaker 1:One second, I should say it I'm actually looking up how about it Adam's family and evil dead.
Speaker 3:I heard, and I think you may have even told me this, that the hand it is actually from Evil Dead.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, no, it's cousin, it the hand is thing thing right thing right.
Speaker 3:Thank you for correcting me. Yes, so that hand is from Evil Dead and I'm looking it up to be sure here's the thing too.
Speaker 1:Someone connected, they said because if you in the new and I'm looking it up to be sure so Well, here's the thing too. Someone connected, they said because if you In the new, in Wednesday series, they gave him stitches, the hand stitches.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And didn't in.
Speaker 2:Evil Dead. In Evil Dead he had stitches, so that's. No, no, no, he didn't have stitches, no, he never did, because he got bit.
Speaker 1:Okay, maybe that's wrong yeah.
Speaker 2:So the zombie bit him from the basement, yeah, and then he cut the hand off before the infection kept going all the way up, yeah, and that's how he ended up. That is another awesome flick. Yeah, that's the only reason why I would think that it wouldn't be, because then even two timelines don't mix. They don't match. No, no, no, no, because when Adam's family came around, or even when it was supposed to be at the time.
Speaker 1:There's always a pulse because when it comes to fan theories, there's a lot of fan theories where people try to connect the actors to different movies Right, and they never add up. There was one recently that I saw that was connecting Frank and Weenie Jack Skellington. No way and they were trying to connect who connect the.
Speaker 3:Princess Bride or the Corpse's Bride to all different timelines. They don't even match at all, right? Okay, that's weird. When they do that it's the same character, but why can't Question for you? But they do that in the comic books all the time. They break it off and they go into a different direction.
Speaker 1:But they write it out that way.
Speaker 3:Right. People, but like I think that you think, just fans, just they just want a connection Right.
Speaker 1:Like that can't be Like this actor was in this movie and he was in this movie and maybe they're. You know, it's the same guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a kid on social media that was showing about like how some of the movies match up and it's like this you know, an old one is this guy or this person's mom, and yeah, this is the the. You know the future of what it looked like and whatnot. And I said the reason why for cousin, for, for the hand, for, uh right thing being in, it is only because.
Speaker 3:Uh, so even if you say that, when the movie although the movie came out when evil dead, but but evil dead it was. It was like in the 80s?
Speaker 2:I would say it was. It was probably early 80s and but the thing being in the adams family was way before that. You know what I mean? Right, it wasn't even when, like it was. You can't have it go back, well, I mean unless you turn around and talk about it going into the book older than the tv show too?
Speaker 2:right, exactly, yes, and that's the only reason why it wouldn't work like that right right, you know no I agree that that would just be too much I mean, if you turn around and you really want to get crazy about it when ash got the book of the dead unless, of course, right, go ahead, say that that so when he got the book of the dead he was able to go into that world. He was able to go into the, you know, into what you call it but, then it may have been that the hand ended up found his way that way, right like it opened a portal or something like that.
Speaker 3:We just made a new fan theory, which is so, we're just, we're so freaking geeks.
Speaker 1:It's ridiculous you know, I got a fun fact too um the uh adams family house right actual house right is in westfield, new jersey. Really, that's right.
Speaker 3:I heard um so can you go out there and take a drive by? Well, well, the actual house.
Speaker 1:That the writer I forget what his name is that wrote it. The house across the street from where he lived. It looks like the Addams Family house.
Speaker 2:Except it's purple. It's not purple.
Speaker 1:It's a Victorian house. It's got that weird shape, that dormer.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you would call it, it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that would be cool to go check that out, right, well, I mean just to see it they.
Speaker 1:They usually around like how, I don't know if it's around his birthday, like they.
Speaker 2:Actually the town celebrates his birthday and they have like adam's family, like oh that's cool, that is way cool yeah yeah, that is way big deal, you know yeah, I want to see that house yeah, I know, right now I want to go see it yeah, I want to, I want to drive by the street.
Speaker 1:You could look at on google maps, like I look it up, but it's across the street from his house.
Speaker 3:The house, I mean his house is there, which is also like a victorian home and but the one across the street the house that was yeah but it's got that, look but it's got, it's painted up, so it's right, yeah, you know, yeah, it's got that look, and we remember it in black and white because it was always in black and white. I don't ever remember that being in color.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was In the movies. In the movies, yes, but not on TV. Yeah, the TV show was always black and white, At least not that I have seen the original, I think.
Speaker 3:The original was black and white because they did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just said the Munsters.
Speaker 3:Oh God, mockingbird Lane, what is it? 1313.
Speaker 2:13, mockingbird Lane. I got half of it. Yeah, I love it. They were more. They were Munsters. I understand we're just goths.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what they were. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:I appeal to it. I just didn't do nothing. I should say it didn't appeal to me. Yeah, I was more of what do you call it like uh the monsters, and uh, I dream of genie, I like I like that three which sometimes killigan's island, but that's I'm talking in that genre yeah, yeah, yeah you know what I mean yeah now, we were just talking about the.
Speaker 3:We were just talking about Evil Dead, right? So there's a couple of interesting ones on here. It says here the cabin is a portal to hell. Now we all know the movie, right.
Speaker 2:So if you've seen this movie, they should rent the original and then watch all the other ones after that. And it's not a horror like hey. It's a cool like storyline, like yeah, it's a good one, but it's still bloody.
Speaker 3:Well, bloody it's a cool like storyline, like, yeah, it's a good one, but it's still bloody. It's so evil and bloody that it is disturbing this guy. The movie is disturbing and of course, it doesn't help to see the movie when you're on mescaline. Yeah, just gonna put that out there. Anyway, do not watch it on that. By the way, this was a recent. This was back in the day. Ash is dead the whole time. So which one recent? This was back in the day. Ash is dead the whole time. So which one we want to do? We'll do the portal first. Okay, the cabin. Another theory posts that the cabin in the woods is just a haunted or curse, but actually a gateway to hell itself. Right, that would explain why the deadline, the dynamic entities are so powerful there and the cabin seems to exist in one isolated, seem to exist own, isolated, nightmarish reality. Yeah, especially evie the two and an army of darkness, which I didn't like the third one so much. The second one was good because it was a spoof on the first one.
Speaker 1:Pretty much right you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It was still the same thing and he was doing it all over again. Yeah, you know, it was weird, a chainsaw. Yeah, the same thing, and he was doing it all over again, you know it was weird, probably because he had a chainsaw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no. In part two he had the chainsaw. In part one he had the chainsaw. What was?
Speaker 1:it on his arm. So the first one he had, the shotgun.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right, he had the shotgun, that's right. Yep where he can cut everybody.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's like yeah great, great. It's funny seeing him in different things too. Yeah, when he was in oh that was another thing or theory someone came up with. When they try to link actors, it's weird. They were trying to link him to that ash. You know he took on, he went in hiding and acted as the guy from Burn Notice Burn Notice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no way, I thought about that too. People try to connect shit. Yeah, that's a little outrageous. That's a good joke, though. If you made a joke like that, it would be funny. You know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Here's one the time loop theory. The theory suggests that events of the Evil Dead series are caught in a time loop. All right, the cabinet itself's causing ash to to relive the same series events over and over again, which would explain why sequels seem to end. The reboots are retellings of the same story with slight variations yeah so yeah, that's crazy, I gotta tell you. I remember the. I mean, those movies were just for their time especially, and they actually got good ratings too when those movies came out.
Speaker 2:It's a cult classic. Yeah, it's a cult classic.
Speaker 3:That's a great movie the most recent one they did that I saw in the theater with the people living in the apartment building. They come across the records.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you and I saw that together. We saw that bro joe, that was good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they did a good job on that, oh, but they did a different story building.
Speaker 2:Oh, so that one was like whoa, I loved it, yeah, yeah I was off the hook man, that movie was sick it was great man. Oh oh. He kept jumping and I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, what the yeah? But I love it though because it's cool.
Speaker 3:You know I'm there for that, so. But I'm like yeah, really I can't like the way. They're just brutal that's what so the evil dead movies it's, and the evilness of the character that they play. They, they're laughing at you, you know they're just. There's no negotiating with this thing at all. You know what I mean? It's like this is pure fucking evil. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:I love horror. Flicks man Great movie.
Speaker 3:So, anyway, there were a bunch of other ones. Do you have one, ken? What do you got? So I was going to do I think there's something else while you're working on that the Matrix.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh yes, let's go.
Speaker 2:Yes, look it look it, look it, there's a lot of Matrix. I'm going to look it up while you're doing it I'm going to do right off the bat. I'm going to jump in with the Matrix. So ready, all right, let's go. Neo, agent smith was the one right, so you wanted it back. Is that what you're saying, so that neo and agent smith are one in the same, that they're the same person?
Speaker 1:well, they share the same code exactly, yeah, so that then then he said a piece of me imprinted on exactly when he went inside of when he went inside of him. Yeah, I mean, so that was in part two. That wasn't reloaded. Yeah, that was in the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that then that was in part two, that was in Reloaded, so then they were one and the same. So Agent Smith was the original, because they said that there was another. There's always a one Right and because the one is just a different person. The anomaly it's always the anomaly. So then it was when Neo right, it's great man.
Speaker 3:So when they?
Speaker 2:put Neo back in Neo and Trinity back in right. Oh, this is a new movie you're talking about, right, what I'm saying. But that was like, yeah, so we'll fast forward a couple of movies, but then that's when it explains and goes back that they would, that Smith and Neo were the same and he was there in that one as well, and he was there, but he had a different character. And that's why he succumbed to Agent Smith, because that's when he put his hand in him and he made him just like.
Speaker 2:He printed himself on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I hope he changed it up Because I, but I was trying to. They said that also had to do because Neo was plugged into the source at that point, but that's what they're saying is. So when he printed onto him it fucked up all the like. The source was able to go in and change the coding.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's what he did when he came out, because that's what he was part of that dude, yeah, so that.
Speaker 3:Agent Smith is the one and he and Neo, but he was saying what the Oracle? Said though, Right when he puts his hand in his chest, doesn't he say the Oracle Do what we have to do or something Right.
Speaker 2:I didn't say what Right, because he repeated what she said, right. So don't forget everything that was in the Matrix. She was part of Neo.
Speaker 1:He was imprinted onto the Oracle exactly when he's fighting Agent Smith in the third movie. He's fighting the copy that he imprinted onto the Oracle so I think, even when Agent. Smith imprinted and copied himself. It always left a piece of what he copied himself from, because those are all programs.
Speaker 2:So every character that was in the Matrix when they would load up into it is a program.
Speaker 1:Unless they're a person, unless they're a real person, unless they're a real person.
Speaker 2:So then, don't forget, all the programs could turn into or could become the people, so that makes any sense. So, like Neo, trinity, morpheus, all of them, they were real people that were in there, right and they got out. Okay, so that then I'm sorry. So that then, if you were still in the Matrix and you were still hardwired in Right, the programs or the agents or whatever could take you, use programs, or the agents or whatever could turn, could take you, use you, they would be coming to you, which is what they did through the movie exactly said then, all the programs and everything that was in there.
Speaker 1:But but a fun thing about the matrix too is uh, I've got, I've, I've, I've followed a couple channels that dive into the lore and everything like that so there were six versions of the matrix.
Speaker 1:Right, the first version was supposed to be like the, because even he mentioned it. We tried making this world perfect for you and you guys rejected it. Right, the first version was supposed to be like the, because even he mentioned it. We tried making this world perfect for you and you guys rejected it. Yeah, the first one was supposed to be like heaven.
Speaker 1:Yes, and the agents were, so there was too much it was too good agents were angels, and that's why they call the guy who protected the oracle, the, the asian guy that did the kung fu. And right, yep, they called him wingless like hey look, it's wingless.
Speaker 2:Because he didn't have wings anymore. He didn't have his wings removed when he moved. So that was Michael, right? What was the archangel I forgot in the bible? Who it would have been that he would have that he was the wingless one. I forgot which angel it was. I don't know if it was Lucifer that had cut his wings off and then came down.
Speaker 3:I don't know, and then it's too deep for me, man.
Speaker 1:The second version of the matrix was the nightmare version, and that's where there's werewolves yes, right, right, engine, right right, and that becomes like the dracula probably like running the shit.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, right, just you see freaky things, yeah right, glitches in the matrix.
Speaker 2:That's what, and that's what the glitches were, and all that other stuff and that's what the ghost stuff.
Speaker 1:You see ghosts, their programs doing something.
Speaker 2:They're not supposed to be doing. That's usually why you saw this. That's why you saw those Yep, right, yep, morpheus was really working with the machines, so he wasn't trying to find the one, just to find the one. He was trying to find the one he was trying to get. He was trying to get the original one. Yes, neo, agent smith to. He had to get neo to fight. Agent smith said then humanity will be done with, because he was really working with the machines. He was really part of the of the plan to okay, all right, that's interesting I got a good fan theory that I read about in the.
Speaker 1:Matrix, too, is that the Oracle was just another system of control. Yes, to distract them all and the whole one and all. That it was all just a form of control to control the integral anomaly and keep him in check without him, right, yeah? So that was another fan theory that makes him in check without him, right yeah?
Speaker 2:So that was another fan theory. That makes sense too, though, yeah, so see. So, throughout the original trilogy and this is all from screen rant, right? So throughout the original trilogy Morpheus is depicted as a guide and mentor to Neo, as well as the other freedom fighters aboard the hovercraft, the Nebuchadnezzar. However, while his, while his commitment to humanity's freedom and goodness of intent is presented as a fate uh, there may be more to more fears than meets the eye and that he was working, that he had plans for the machines, so he was just trying to set everything up, set everybody up and just let the machines take over. You know, for everybody to just stay in, uh, into in the matrix, right to help. You know, just to take care of them.
Speaker 2:because, so, in the movie, for those who never saw it, humans with a battery, because that's why they had a power source, because they are, because they blasted the planets of shit right well that was the thing too, so that then that was, that was another one, that was another one, so that the um, the machines, were the ones who had rebuilding society? Nope, oh, that's another right, no, but the machines were the ones who blacked out the sky. Oh right, so that then this way, humans wouldn't be able to grow food and anything like that.
Speaker 3:So they went underground Right.
Speaker 2:So they made them go underground Right and then, when they just started to grab people and whatnot, that's when they made them, you know they took the, they impregnated them and they did the whole thing to make the embryos and then to make humans.
Speaker 3:They were able to grow.
Speaker 2:human beings Grow humans exactly, and that was the whole boom, boom, boom you didn't have to give birth anymore.
Speaker 3:They were able to just, they were just to do it right there like that.
Speaker 1:Test two babies. Test two babies, exactly. Yeah, the thing is I don't know if it's a fan, there are people just trying to piece the clues together from the movie. But remember when the um architect says so, this will be our sixth time, yes, very proficient at it. And then says, if you go through that door, you're going to pick 10 children and men or whatever. So basically, the machines destroy Zion Yep, and then they rebuild it for them Right, and leave them all the equipment Yep, and then leave the 10, and then just be like, oh, those are the survivors, yeah. And then they're in their mind that they're like doing this the first time but it's actually, it's really the sixth time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and that was the whole thing, and that's why it was good, wasn't he, when he was standing there talking to uh with the guy with the tvs he's sitting there with the architect and he's showing him how many right yeah times. He already spoke to him. There was this many versions one right?
Speaker 2:yeah, because it wasn't, of course. It was a neo each time right and then even with that. So when they did the last one, trinity had power. Trinity was able to do all the things more than him than neo could do right because he lost it.
Speaker 2:So in the last one, when they put them back into the system, right, they, um, they took them apart like they did all kind of crazy shit to them and whatnot. To try to? To supposedly try to figure, yeah, to just try to figure out what it was to bring them back to life and whatnot. Yeah, they cut them open and everything else with it, right. And then you know, yeah, the movie I said, when I started reading some of those I was like it's oh my God, oh my God, it makes so much sense.
Speaker 3:It's pretty crazy. Hang on, I love those. They say Neo is a program concept. Some fans theorize that Neo is not actually human, but a program within the Matrix designed to create balance or serve as a specific purpose, such as resetting the system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's a program that's also in a human.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute, yeah Right, and it says support the architect's speech. We were just saying this. In Matrix Reloaded hints at Neo being part of an ongoing cycle where the One emerges to reset the Matrix Right. This could imply that neo is part of the control mechanism rather than a true anomaly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yep, that's awesome, yeah, and that's why it's so cool how people figure this shit out yeah, well, because I mean, listen, it's like anything else, you know it's. Or every movie has those theories outside of what we see or what we feel. You know it's, it's like anything else is what I got from that. You know what I mean. It's what I hear. So you know the way people look at um, at star wars. It's biblical, right, you know? Yeah, you know stuff like that. You know how people look at forrest gump. You know that he had that. He, you know what I'm saying. There's things like that that just you're like oh, you know, and it's what makes you feel good about watching a movie, that makes you relate. That's a good story, that's what makes a good movie, how you, we relate to those stories.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So that's what it's all about. I mean we could all, like I said, you watching Forrest Gump was different how I saw. It was different how you saw it. We'll remember the lines, but it's just how it hit. You know what I mean. What triggered that one thing in our head?
Speaker 3:that's almost every movie that.
Speaker 2:I love.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, definitely if it's not Forrest Gump, it's gonna be another movie that I also have on.
Speaker 2:you see what I'm saying. Now, that was the other thing too, because you saw it as that everybody's vegan, you know Right, you saw it as like that's just what people are going to be, like that's where we're going to evolve to, and I was just sitting back watching this.
Speaker 3:Some people feel like that, right, but you know what I mean. Some people feel like that, but Star Trek was first, but it makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, whatever, man just saying whatever. But yeah, no, but that's, that's funny that's funny as hell but yeah, but that's the whole thing. You know just how it what it was about the movie, what, how you see yourself, you know in those movies.
Speaker 3:But not even in the Star Trek ones too, is different timelines, right. Right, because the Spock from another timeline is in his and they explain that and they explain that in the movie and whatnot, absolutely so yeah, but that's another one.
Speaker 2:There's so many crazy stories, fan theories on Star Trek that would be.
Speaker 3:That would be like an episode all by itself for that and you definitely got to be a Trekker to understand that. Same with Star Wars, too, if you don't really know that stuff, right?
Speaker 2:It falls off because, man, there's just so many great stories. So, with that being said, everybody just turn around and go watch movies, man, enjoy them. Some really cool TV shows, yeah, I love flicks. Yeah, find the time, make it happen. So, with that, thank you everybody for listening and watching. Love, peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan Holla.
