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Crafting the Future: Walkable Cities, Renewable Energy, and Vertical Living
Can you imagine a city without cars, streets, or carbon emissions? Join us as we explore The Line, a revolutionary urban project in Saudi Arabia that's breaking all the conventional rules of city planning. Powered entirely by renewable energy sources like solar and geothermal, The Line is part of the larger Neom development initiative and promises to redefine urban living with its 170-kilometer stretch of sustainable, walkable, and vertically integrated living spaces. We delve into how this cutting-edge design aims to serve as a model for future cities worldwide, offering intriguing insights into Saudi Arabia's strategy to pivot away from oil dependence toward a more diversified and sustainable economy.
Ever wondered how our cities might look in a truly sustainable future? From geothermal energy to reflective walls, we explore various innovations that could transform urban living and substantially reduce our carbon footprint. Drawing parallels to Japan's successful implementation of high-speed trains and the potential of car-free cities, we discuss the practical steps and ambitious visions needed to integrate these sustainable technologies into our daily lives. Our conversation also touches on the exciting possibility of making mass transit free and the numerous benefits of incorporating green infrastructure, such as rooftop gardens and eco-friendly public spaces, into urban planning.
Finally, we envision the future of urban development through the lens of both science fiction and real-world examples. Inspired by projects like The Line and the ambitious infrastructure of cities like Dubai, we discuss the potential of self-contained industrial cities and coworking spaces to create thriving, self-sustaining economies. As we reflect on these groundbreaking ideas and their implications for future generations, we emphasize the need for incremental progress and innovative solutions to move away from fossil fuels. Join us in this thought-provoking episode as we explore the exciting prospects of building a sustainable future, one city at a time.
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, kenny Cotman, lewis Crawford and.
Speaker 1:I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:That's great. What's? Up, gentlemen how goes today? Good, everybody peace.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good Cool, it's good, excellent, excellent. How are you guys? Everybody's?
Speaker 2:good yeah.
Speaker 3:Chilling brother.
Speaker 2:I hear you man Enjoying the Enjoying life, life.
Speaker 3:Life Every day, living the dream. Yeah, you know. Yeah, let's get splayed, though. You say that a lot now, right?
Speaker 2:Living the dream Because everybody knows there's a bunch of junk.
Speaker 3:Check this out, though this is kind of like a dream. So this is right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you told us about this one I'm not going to lie I was like, hmm, the line is a futuristic city project in Saudi Arabia, part of the larger Neon Development Initiative.
Speaker 3:It is designed as a linear city stretching 170 kilometers about 105 miles with a width of 200 meters around 656 feet. The line aims to accommodate 9 million residents and is planned to have no cars, streets or carbon emissions. It will rely on renewable energy resources and advanced technologies to create a sustainable and efficient urban environment, with the focus of walkability, vertical living and high-speed public transportation.
Speaker 1:That's like. That is futuristic, for sure. Stuff that we talk about all the time the blueprint for all new cities in the world. Yeah well, let's hope so, Because if it works, it sounds like you need to do that kind of design. It needs to be just a new city wherever it goes, Because it has to be its own entity, you can't make.
Speaker 2:New York City that.
Speaker 1:Because its infrastructure is already set up for subway systems and heat and all that. You'd have to completely gut the whole city. You wouldn't be able to do that, but it could be for new cities, especially because it's in the desert. They're probably going to be using well, it said they're going to be using renewable sources, so they're going to be using geothermal.
Speaker 3:I saw pictures of it they're going to be using solar.
Speaker 1:The outside of the whole structure is mirror, is like a mirror, like chrome or glass or whatever. Yeah, so that's supposed to reflect the heat, you know. So there's no, it's in the desert, so they don't have to. It keeps the city cool.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Listen.
Speaker 2:Saudi Arabia, they have all that money.
Speaker 3:And the reason they're doing it too, is to get away from using oil Right, which is funny because Saudi Arabia Makes a lot of it Makes a lot of money off of oil Well, so I'm assuming they're thinking that at some point it's going to run out.
Speaker 2:So a few years ago, several years ago, saudi Arabia Well, just out there, middle East, okay, they knew that they're going to be running out of the resources, out of fossil fuels. So what they started to do and that's where the Dubai came from, like that, was the idea of building that, building an entertainment, I mean just spot place. So they have, you know, the, the F1 racing, they got the motorcycle racing, they've got the tracks, they've got for the, for horse racing and all these things, because that's what they were trying to do make it into something that's going to be known for something other than oil, right?
Speaker 1:so all of these like wonders of the world right building these mega structures?
Speaker 2:yep they built. They built, uh, properties, so I don't know. I think we talked about it before so you can see it from space now. They built islands in the shape of the life tree, you know the tree of life. So they built it and each one and there's houses and stuff on them. Because when is this at? Again In Dubai. And they did this so that this way people can go there, the super elite rich go there, and they buy the islands. Okay, and, like I said, that's what dubai, that's what saudi arabia, middle east, that's what they were doing things to. They know that they were gonna. You know, fossil fuels were going away and this is what they started to do in the very and they were, I'm sorry and the very first thing that they built that was big, was the world's first six-star hotel?
Speaker 1:yes, so it had amenities up the wazoo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally from ground to sea. That's what? Um so mission impossible. Okay, that uh tom cruise, that he jumped from out of the building. Yeah, yeah, that's in dubai. Okay, you know, when he's running in the oh yeah, that was a crazy three, I think it was yeah and um.
Speaker 2:You know fashion, the furious they filmed it out there and you know it's just all these movies because that's what they made it right. So now them building this city. It's just great. The line is just you know, proof that you know that's the wave well, it's a picture.
Speaker 3:Here's my thing. That's great, and let's hope. How will it be regulated, though, because of where it is, too, explain. So it's going to be Saudi Arabia, right? So how would it be regulated?
Speaker 1:would the laws be the same in that environment as they are, like they are, they have like the religious police in Saudi Arabia, you know like what are the rules and regulations? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about. I'm just saying because it's in that country, it's being built there, so it would probably be under that law. So I don't know how strict it is there, what you can and what you can't do, but it sounds like it's a very relaxed environment the way they're going about it, only because of they're not using renewable energy.
Speaker 2:I mean, they are using renewable energy, but they're not using anything else other than that. Well, I mean, which is good? The rules and regulations wouldn't?
Speaker 3:I don't think that there would be anything different from like I'm saying you're gonna still have to have it's a lot of people, nine million people living in there, right, you're gonna have problems, you know people living together. This shit's gonna happen. You're gonna have to have some kind of police or something that oh no, no, definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:How would you regulate? Would it be regulated under the rules? So if we had one in this country, if we made one, it would be based on our rules, or would it be different from that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no, it's going to be, whatever country it's in.
Speaker 3:Because it's a separate entity is what I'm saying. That's why.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sure that they're going would have to live by the laws of that particular country.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm trying to say you lost me.
Speaker 2:I was like wait a minute, you lost me. But that, no, no, it's like anything else when you build, it is where you'll have to do those rules. Yeah, it's just a city in the country, right, you know it's going to be like a place you travel to.
Speaker 1:It's going would be a tourist attraction, right. So you know there would be trains coming there, there would be you know highways going there or whatever.
Speaker 3:Right, this thing would have to be super sturdy, especially because it's where they're building it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And there's crazy storms that happen in that place.
Speaker 1:Oh, the sandstorms, yeah, well, I think that's the reason why it's probably a certain height and as you see in those pictures well, I know it's got to be reflective metal or something I'm sure Everything is going to be. And I'm assuming that's for geothermal use. Right To keep the city cool.
Speaker 3:Right, There'll probably be plants and stuff growing everywhere. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's going to be, by the water, that's why the? Pictures look the conceptual art looks Right, it looks great.
Speaker 2:It's got to be on the coastline. You know, on a coastline I would love to go someplace like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see that.
Speaker 2:As I'm saying, like, I know a friend of mine and she went to Dubai and it was super cheap. You know like round trip, last minute tickets kind of thing, right it, you got to find the right hotel and such whatever. But going back to what you were saying about the rules and stuff, dubai is that next generation city and you had to still follow the Muslim rules, the Muslim laws because of where it is. So I'm sure that wherever that they're building the line in Saudi Arabia, that they're building it- it would have to be on there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would think so, yeah definitely, you know, all day, you know. But yeah, dude, listen, if we've been talking, we as a society have been talking about, you know, a smaller footprint for everything. You know what I mean and less emissions and global warming, you know, and all that other stuff. So then, if this is going to be the first of its kind, that's going to make it where we can just hopefully in some way shape or form, change how we're living in other cities, Like we said, New York City, that we wouldn't be able to really tear down New York City.
Speaker 1:No, you'd have to do it around it.
Speaker 3:I'm sure there's things that we would have to build from the inside out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm sure there's things that we would have to build from the inside out, yeah, and I'm sure there's things we might learn about these cities that we can incorporate into existing cities.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, like you know, like I'm sure there's some cities that are in hotter areas, like that are in deserts and like maybe like Phoenix, stuff like that, where maybe they operate those like reflective walls to like keep the city cool right. You know there's different. You know we might learn things from from it and be able to incorporate. I don't know if that's a possible or maybe because of the wall would need to be, you know, enormous in the city, maybe it's not possible.
Speaker 3:But like you know, I'm saying we can learn things yeah, definitely you know what I mean and yeah, you know. Just use everything around you rather than creating stuff and add into the environment for no reason, way to go and it's more sustainable because you don't have to keep using a new source.
Speaker 1:It just Right Create. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's just all the time like repetitive Right.
Speaker 1:The only thing you need maintenance on is parts and stuff.
Speaker 3:Right Window fans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, window washing you know, but I mean some of the stuff they use. You can incorporate into homes now. It just requires a lot of drilling and stuff. So it does work better in new homes like the geothermal, where they dig deep into the ground. You get your air conditioned from there.
Speaker 1:It's 55 degrees but also your heat from there because it's easier, it's cooler than outside. So if the out, if it's warmer than outside, if it's 20 degrees outside underground still 55 degrees, so to warm that air is easier than a warm outside air gotcha yeah, I said it means a cool outside air. Yeah, yeah, yeah right or like the water, also the water too, you know, if it's say like a water baseball yeah.
Speaker 3:I looked into that. I don't think I could get it here. I was like that would be cool because you get your air conditioning from that. That's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's perfect, it's still, it might run some air conditioning, you know when it's really really like no, no no, I don't think so no, it's the same 55 degrees.
Speaker 3:Yeah you wouldn't need once you're in that way it works. You'll have a nice temperature, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was on this old house this past weekend, was it really? Yeah, no lie. Yeah, that was great, that was funny. What were you going to read?
Speaker 3:though Hang on funny. Yeah, we're gonna read, though I was gonna um hang out. Uh, just how it's talking about. The high speed transportation city will have efficient public transportation, reducing the the need for personal vehicles no streets, right?
Speaker 1:how crazy is that. That's awesome, that's gonna be crazy you know what that's like? That's like sim city.
Speaker 3:Did you guys ever play sim city when it came out a little whenever, but not for long, like in order to really get like there was always traffic.
Speaker 1:Once you get to a certain point in the cities, it was always traffic. And the only way to get rid of traffic is to remove all the roads and replace them with railroads instead. So it was just railroads go through the whole thing and then all of a sudden like there's no traffic and you don't have any problems. So it's like the same concept.
Speaker 3:What's right? Why have streets just sidewalks and like, and then something that could take you from a to b?
Speaker 2:mass transportation going up and down the street exactly exactly, yeah, well I mean look at how they hopefully we can get to that point yeah, you know that you know.
Speaker 3:That's the whole idea that's what everybody keeps talking. Let's just hope it doesn't get corrupted along the way. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, look at Japan. Well, just, I guess you say just overseas as a whole. You know, and they've been doing, they've had the bullet train for how many decades?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we definitely need that here for sure.
Speaker 2:So things like that you know or less of a footprint and whatnot, and we haven't here, we're still doing the gas and running all these things like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah but they were incorporating. You know, things are getting more and more incorporated into you know different things and it's just a matter of time when we get to that point definitely we won't be around for it when you know when it gets to like like that, yeah, the only way we'd be able to enjoy that is if we actually flew out there when it was done you know what I'm saying, so I'm sure it's.
Speaker 2:What is that? What it said? Yeah, yeah, something like 2030 is supposed to be like when they're like starting it. Yeah, yeah, getting into it.
Speaker 1:So you know what, bro, I read they did scale it down from the original size it was gonna. Instead of being three miles, it's like 1.5 miles. Gotta start somewhere. Yeah, yeah, I think is it. You know, it was like one of those things that like holy crap, like we went a little over?
Speaker 2:yeah, why don't little over? Yeah, well, it's something brand new, yeah, you know. So as long I mean they just already started on the line right, and then it's gonna be open in 2030 2021, 2030, another right another, you know, five and a half years yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, think about it. It's crazy a mile if they're cutting it back. Because you know it's to see what it is right to start it out, get the materials down. You know, pat, know what it is right To start it out. Get the materials down. Know what it is that they're going to be able to need to then expand it. You know, and especially because they're going to want people to quote unquote invest in it.
Speaker 3:Well, there's probably a reason for why they're designing it that way you know, why is it so Narrow, narrow?
Speaker 1:I think, because that I think it's using the energy of the sun and that's why it's narrow, because I think those mirrors are doing something with this.
Speaker 3:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:I'm just guessing. I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2:I didn't read that far down, I'm not going to make you believe, but it does make sense. Straight lines, you don't have to have and dig out more or move. Sense, you know. Straight lines, you don't have to have and dig out more, you know. Or move whatever Curves, just boom, boom, that's it. One way in, one way out. You know what I mean, just right there.
Speaker 1:Also the training system. Like you said, it's just have like all these things just running, yeah, just a straight line.
Speaker 3:Efficiency and proximity. The narrow design ensures that all amenities and services are within walking distance, reducing the need for long commutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you don't need 12 commutes and promoting a more efficient use of space. Right there it is.
Speaker 3:There it is, that's why it's so narrow.
Speaker 2:So there you go. So two trains, one going north, one going south, and then you just get off and you got to walk two blocks that way, or two blocks that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a grocery store.
Speaker 1:Sustainability, vertical integration and there's a grocery store every quarter mile or something like that.
Speaker 3:Now, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a mile and a half. Actually, it's a mile and a half. There is nothing. You don't need two of everything one.
Speaker 3:This is what it says. It says transportation in a narrow layout is supposed to use high-speed public transportation systems, making it easy to connect different parts of the city quickly and efficiently.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, I only say one going and one coming, because you can't have it running on the same track when you're having that many people or expect that many people.
Speaker 1:Well, probably loops like the subway system. Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sure they'll figure it out and that.
Speaker 2:So now, uh, oh man, I was gonna tell you before something I had known about. What was it?
Speaker 1:you read something you read. And then is mass transit free too, because that would be like efficiency and proximity free for people that live there there.
Speaker 3:What should be free? It should be free. Like there's no cars and you have to use transit, it should be free.
Speaker 1:It should be free for people that live there, Like if there's no cars and you have to use transit it should be free for residents.
Speaker 3:I'm sure I can imagine that would make sense.
Speaker 1:Like, if you're free, your resident ID, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah something like that Scan it in and then, if you're like a, tourist, you got to pay.
Speaker 3:Right, I don't know how that's going to work.
Speaker 1:That's a good question if they're screwed if the residents, can you know well, yeah, I mean again, if that's the design where, like, it's reliant on mass transit and like I don't know, but then again a lot of cities are you're relying on mass transit?
Speaker 2:what would rent. Look like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, this is yeah right, I can't you know this is so much more efficient you know, there's not a lot being used except for natural resources Right, but even so a mile and a half if you're— Nine million people man. But I'm saying a mile and a half. You could technically walk everywhere if you really needed to Right I mean, think about how big is Manhattan, mm-hmm. No, you're right, you could probably walk that whole.
Speaker 3:Thing.
Speaker 1:How—what is the length of Manhattan?
Speaker 2:I don't remember. Why do you ask the hard questions, bro? But still, you're right.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God Jesus can't take you nowhere.
Speaker 2:But now here's the thing. But I just remember what it was because of what he just said, so many, many moons ago and even now happening in a city they had wanted to make a lot of the old buildings more efficient.
Speaker 1:How long is it, manhattan? Island is roughly 13.4 miles long and about 2.3 miles across so yes, it's the original line. So so, like you know what I mean it's like, but this is a mile and a half, so yeah, you could walk anywhere.
Speaker 3:Think about people in the city they walk everywhere right yeah you can, you could, oh, you could walk anywhere.
Speaker 1:Think about people in the city. They walk everywhere, yeah.
Speaker 3:You could walk everywhere, of course. Oh yeah, you wouldn't need the super cardio going on.
Speaker 1:Ideally, the most ideal place to live in that city is going to be the center.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely that's going to be where the highest rent is.
Speaker 1:Rent is going to be cheap for people that live against the wall. Oh yeah, Hell yeah, but that's what the rendering looks like.
Speaker 2:You know the big stuff is in the middle. You know, and yeah, Listen, I was going to say before the wall the wall.
Speaker 2:But I was going to say before yeah, right, Remember that. So when you are back in the day, they were looking at how to make the old buildings more eco-friendly, yeah, at how to make the old buildings um more eco-friendly. So what they started to do was build the rooftop, um uh parks and and um lawns and stuff like that in gardens. So this way, the water when it came in you know when it rained, it would filter through the grass and you know whatever rock and stuff that they had up there, and then that would be the water for the building. You know going to tanks and whatnot. Same idea, you know it's the same thing. It might be easier than we are first thinking to make a city you know what I mean Especially like Manhattan. Yeah, they have all that infrastructure. You know the substructures where the pipes are running, the heat, the subways and such. They might just be able to use that to get the thermal warming and cooling.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I guess you know what the biggest problem is. It's like we've gotten away from having trees in cities to widen roads. We have that median in the middle of a lot of roads.
Speaker 3:I remember trees being in the city Trees being in them. And Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:Trees cool the planet right, yeah, yeah, the shade cools everything you're destroying the shade right.
Speaker 2:What do you think happens?
Speaker 3:well, they need.
Speaker 1:They absorb the sunlight for the photosynthesis right, and now we're cutting it down, and now it's just hitting the ground and sustainability is like what they're talking about.
Speaker 3:By concentrating infrastructure and population in a narrow space, the line minimized land use, preserves and surrounding natural environment, promoting sustainability and reducing ecological impact.
Speaker 1:And I know in a lot of those conceptual arts you see a lot of greenery. Yes, and it's for probably that reason because it absorbs the heat Right. Yeah, now my son, when reason because it absorbs the heat Right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, now my son, when he was going to college he went to Ithaca.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:One of their buildings, at least at the time, had a roof where it was live. You know it was plants.
Speaker 1:Right mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:And it was made built that way, you know, to be energy efficient. It was pretty cool to be in it. Yeah, it was nice, it was a nice building. So they they're starting in a little. You know some places they do it certain things. Hopefully that that's their way of experiment to saying, okay, this is, you know some point, we can do this with everything right, that's what I'm saying, so like that's what they've been doing in manhattan, right.
Speaker 2:and then look at what they did on the west side highway down the, the whole thing. They made the park, that, just that whole ride from the whole riverside. It's all walks, parks, little trails and stuff all the way down to World Trade Center Right.
Speaker 1:And what about the High Line too?
Speaker 2:The High Line, yep, all that over there. That's all greenery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really nice and that's using an old thing that they couldn't tear down. It was more expensive to tear that down than to do what they do now.
Speaker 3:Right, if you can do that, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:It's an old train line.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they haven't used it for like 20 years.
Speaker 2:They stopped using it in like the 80s right. Well, they did that over there in poughkeepsie the walk over the hudson.
Speaker 1:They took the old train line and they just paved it out, thing they just yeah, so you know and that. So that's what you know. The high line was like, I guess, an experiment. Now other cities are doing it and it works.
Speaker 2:It works. You know, that's the things that we I guess that us as a society really need to start looking at, to not start looking, to continue looking into. You know, there's just so many things that are there, we're not using, or it's just bad for the environment right, I'm sorry, no, no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3:It's just a matter of when people, everybody gets on board and you know it's the only way it's going to work. Or you know, somebody starts it and it starts to just take off somehow, and then everybody starts doing it kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Think of how many cars you've seen right now that have that are electric. Yeah, um, I I've seen a few. Yeah, everybody's always arguing oh, it's the electric, it's the same thing, it's bad for the environment, is this? And the third? You know, it's the same footprint.
Speaker 3:I don't know, man, I'm still I guess because of the batteries and everything you know. That's the main issue.
Speaker 2:Yeah but then can you, can you recycle, I remember, and if those batteries go on fire usually very difficult to put out you can't use water.
Speaker 3:They have to like kind of suffocate it somehow that's the two big seriousness for electric vehicles is the battery catches fire and recycling the battery Right Right. What's the point If you?
Speaker 1:can't do that, if those two things they can solve.
Speaker 3:Right, then it would be as red as rain, yeah, yeah. As red as rain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I mean like I said, and if they start working, oh, sorry, no, no, hang on, hang on. If they start working on renewable energy right for our power grid. Yep, now you got green energy, because that's the other, that's the third oh, that means money argument is all the power grid still using, you know, fossil fuels, right?
Speaker 3:and we shouldn't be doing it anymore.
Speaker 1:So if we can get the power grid and this is going to show us that yep electric vehicles, battery is not a problem anymore yeah we're good, right, we're good, but those are the, you know, and they're all valid arguments, and those are always the arguments that come up, but they are valid arguments, you know.
Speaker 3:So we gotta solve that problem yeah well, yeah but there's always baby steps to get to where you are, but unfortunately, how they get the material and who suffers for it there's a whole. You know that's a whole other subject, right, but the idea of it is the right idea and then hopefully hydrogen and fusion will be a part of all that, where it won't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's anything that we can do to be 100% carbon free. No, you get power by 80.
Speaker 3:Right 80% is awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's just so many things that we need we use. Now that we've been accustomed to, become accustomed to that, we need to make up Down the line, down the line it's like, but it's going to be to recycle the stuff. So, like now, when you know you can recycle almost any car or newer cars you know, for all their parts and everything else. We melt them down or do whatever it is to you know use it for a new car.
Speaker 3:Right, you know what I mean. They'll go junkyards, and all that, of course.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:And everything, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the recycling part is necessary in order for it to be, you know, for it to work. Otherwise, what's the point? You know, what I mean. Yeah, so yeah, and if this thing works out in Saudi Arabia, this thing it's interesting. I'd really like to see what it looks like, you know.
Speaker 1:Because this is what we need, because we need renewable energy in cities, because if we don't like, we're going to be running into problems. You know what I mean we don't like we're gonna be running into problem. Yeah, what I mean? Yeah, you know, the thing is always in the past, like especially you know, back in the day when you know in our like grandparents time, like you know, you know people were they were, you know these issues, people would just go ah, it's we're about down the road, let them worry right, which is the whole.
Speaker 1:That's the way we should be thinking but well it's, it's our time to worry about it, and they're long gone right, you know what I mean, and we have to continue the pattern of keeping you know, keeping everything green and keeping everything you know renewable, and so we don't destroy our planet yeah, because we only get one. Yeah, no, we could talk about traveling to another one, but that's neither here nor there we got
Speaker 2:right, destroy this planet before we even yeah, get a chance to get out? Yeah, because I mean, like you know, we were talking about a little while ago about what cities if we have any cities that you have to redo a city or build brand new vegas. Vegas is a perfect example of out in the desert like that. You know they don't.
Speaker 3:You know they're always knocking something down and building again Right, but they got that crazy globe now, that crazy big that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that would be a good city because they're always knocking down and rebuilding to do something like the line, I think because it's so flat.
Speaker 1:Right, there's already stuff there. You know, the space is there. They could easily incorporate a lot of those?
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, then it would be good.
Speaker 2:They could do it too.
Speaker 3:They'd probably be able to cool it down. They'd be able to cool it down Right To where it wouldn't be as hot as it was outside, versus Right. I bet you that'd be. You know that's awesome.
Speaker 3:I mean they can control the temperature their own environment, which is be able to do that, so they'll be able to keep it cooler in that place than it would be outside. It could be like 110 outside, but it would be like 80, or 85, or whatever they would what the optimal temperature would be that you would put out there.
Speaker 2:And listen. I would love to see that happen, like in vegas, minnesota. I think would be a good place to do it, because that's pretty flat over there.
Speaker 1:You know things like places like that in the very, very far future or in a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, we could have the uh in space a certain loop this guy no more sci-fi flicks.
Speaker 1:For you a loop, yeah and in obi-wan they had it oh it's, it's a circle, like it's just a narrow, it's like, yeah, I think that's. You know, they might have got that, one of them might have got from the other, because that's really what it is on land. It's right because in, in, if, if you watch, uh, if you're like a star wars nerd in the Obi-Wan series, they do show it. There's a city in space that is like the same idea of the line, but it goes in a loop, like just in a circle.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1:And I think that's how it creates gravity.
Speaker 3:I was just going to say that's probably how they probably grab. Well, you see a lot of the futuristic space stuff like in the movies.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're circling.
Speaker 3:When they're walking, they're right and it's always spinning Right. So that's the gravity of the thing, which is actually yeah, it's a good idea that does make sense.
Speaker 2:It's cool how they figure that out.
Speaker 1:It creates gravity.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good thinking right there. I didn't even think about that Because they did it in a couple of movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, because they did it with Matt Damon that he was like had the, he was like part, he was a soldier and he had like robotics exoskeleton. Oh no, no, and he was trying to get up into the sky.
Speaker 3:Thing.
Speaker 2:Oh to the sky.
Speaker 3:Thing. I thought you were talking about the Mars one. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:But you know what, if that's what's going to help us move forward and do better, you know what I mean. Granted, like you guys said, we're not going to probably be here for that, but it's cool to watch the beginning of you know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, yeah, nowhere. And you know what? I think that's something that, like, I remember there was I don't remember where I was there was some like philosopher or some historian that said one of the things that, like, our society has gotten away from is like people would used to, they would, they would build something that they that they knew was going to take generations to build, and like people would just know, like they knew that they weren't going to see the final product, but they knew that it was this major thing that had to be built. It was going to take generations to build. Like you know, like the I don't know if it was the Sistine Chapel that took generations to build but like the pyramids took generations to build.
Speaker 1:Like we don't do that anymore. Like so what's if it's something like this, with these cities Like we're?
Speaker 3:you know we're thinking of the future and like and they still have people that are all over the place, you know we should be.
Speaker 1:We should be like we don't have to have it today.
Speaker 3:But we should be working towards Think how it would help the planet.
Speaker 1:We should be working yeah, we should be working towards a future, for a better today and just knowing that we're paving the way for a better future should be something we should strive to look forward to right the way that it was back in the day.
Speaker 2:You know, between cars, I mean, we talked one time about the light bulb, you know, and it's because it's about the money, right you?
Speaker 3:know it's about the economy, then it'll get. It'll get away from that at some point and that's hopefully hopefully they'll figure out, yeah, right which also plays into star trek as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure you know. You're that. You're right, bro, because that's where it's at. That's exactly where it's at I star trek is. I mean, yeah, I'm a star wars geek all day long, but the reality, I do believe, is star trek, you know why can't we get our ideas from movies?
Speaker 1:of course, why not exactly what it came?
Speaker 3:how long they've been doing it. It's been happening everything, a lot of stuff you get from sci-fi right, I mean it winds up happening.
Speaker 1:You know you're like what?
Speaker 3:the you want a food replicator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. That'd be great. It's called a replicating machine.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I think it's. Uh, I'm not sure that's a good question. I'm gonna have to look that one up, yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2:But you're right. You know that would be awesome again. That's what we said before. That's where the phone came from Star Trek the communicator and it opened up, and that's when we had the two-way radio. The next hell is back in the day. I don't know. I think it's just a matter of what people are willing to do. It's going to take generations for it to happen Definitely hands down, but I do believe we need to start it.
Speaker 1:Like you said tom, you know, we did that it's so right problem.
Speaker 3:Can't do that anymore because hopefully it'll become a trend, like he said yeah, well, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2:Our us growing up, you know, through our 20s, you know 40s, that was the quiet peace time. You know it was like all right, cool things are working the way they are. Now it's starting to hit the fan.
Speaker 3:Now we need to start looking forward, because the environment's just going out of control. But, then they just said oh, you want to play?
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 3:I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:A lot of the stuff we were doing at the scale we were doing at it it was fine.
Speaker 3:But populations getting bigger and we needed to learn to get away from it.
Speaker 1:Cars it used to be like two per family, now it's like four, because the kids grow up, you know they have to have their own car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, and then, like, even over here there's not the same kind of so. For us growing up in the cities, you know, like in Jersey we had there was more access to public transportation. You know, here the buses are done by like freaking 8 o'clock Right, you know we can't.
Speaker 3:We're in the city. They run all through the night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the problem is suburbia. Suburbia is not suburbs are not suburbs. Suburbs, suburbs, they, it is not suburbs are not suburbs, suburbs, suburbs, suburbs are not designed to be friendly for public transportation. Right you, you have to have a car right, you have to uber, or right you know, because nothing is close by, the neighborhood is in one section and you gotta get to the store town section is, you know where all the commercial stuff right in another section.
Speaker 2:But still there's no public transportation either way, like there's no reason why they can't be a nice looking bus to go from here and take us down. You know, be able to take it down the block.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying that's more convenient, because, sorry, I didn't mean to no, no, go ahead, no no he's more convenient because the commercial space and the residential space are in the same area. Right, so you can, where you live there's a store.
Speaker 3:Literally, you could throw a rock yeah, you're not even going to walk a block, you walk downstairs. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, like you live above, you know a lot of the spaces in the city.
Speaker 2:You know, or like the stores are on the first level and the second third, or we'll see, and that's why I think this you know the line this thing is going to be it's an old memory, yeah, old thought and old vision uh, brought back to life. So, a bunch of years ago they had, uh, the idea of building these super, you know, high buildings. The tall skyscrapers were to have, um, businesses, have grocery stores and have residential spaces in these, in these super tall buildings. Right, you know? Now, here it is, that they're doing it on a strip. I'm sure they're gonna do it and put it in the buildings and whatnot, you know, and it's, it's a revisited, amazing dream now from what they should be able, at some point, just convert the cities into the same kind of habitat that they're making in the line on the line.
Speaker 1:Are they doing any like is is? I mean, obviously it's going to be residential space, there's going to be stores right for jobs, or is they going to have offices, like office buildings and stuff, like they have to because they want to be self-sustaining? They have industry where they're making and producing things I guess so there's. So maybe, like the outer wall, the inner walls are probably closer, are going to have more stores and residential and the outer walls are gonna. I wonder how they're zoning it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Well, that's probably what we gotta wait for now, like we already know what the vision is, now that you know, once it's built. And they do it. Because now, going back to well, go ahead I got your answer.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. I asked if there would be a working community right, yeah in the line. I said yes. The line is designed to include working community. It aims to integrate residential, commercial and industrial spaces within close proximity, creating a vibrant, mixed use of environment. Key features supporting the working community include business and innovation hubs, co-working spaces, industries and services, educational institution and infrastructure and technology educational institution and infrastructure and technology.
Speaker 1:Well, you know it's. I see I'm still thinking old school because I'm thinking my space. Like how are they going to work with industrial space? Because, like it's not going to cause pollution, like, wait right idiot it's a green city, right, but that's the thing pollution.
Speaker 1:The industrial space isn't going to be what. What comes to our minds when people say industrial? I'm thinking, like you know, like outside of like, like essex county, new jersey yeah, you know, right outside the city, where all those smokestacks are coming from like elizabeth down the turnpike right like. That's what I think when I yeah especially living in jersey when I think industrial. I'm thinking of what people stereotype jersey as right, right.
Speaker 3:You know that, that's it I just described.
Speaker 1:There's always something going on. Yeah, you know, it's always. They're all theseestacks which they've gotten slowly rid of, because the factories don't need some, they have better systems.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, in place, so it's going in the right direction. It's just a snail pace, but it's definitely going, it's definitely moving.
Speaker 1:There's a reason that comes to mind. When I was like I wonder what their industrial space? How are they going to work that? And I'm like, oh, it's a green city.
Speaker 3:You can have an electrical bike. Electric bike.
Speaker 2:Electric bike. I should say yeah, Right I see a lot of those.
Speaker 3:I've seen a lot of those around.
Speaker 2:All over the place. Again, I think it's going to be super cool to see, you know, the final, uh, the final cut. You know it's going to be cool to see how they you know making the batteries, what you know industry is going to look like in there. You know, uh, if they're even going to build it on site, you know, if they're going to have those kind of warehouses or factories or whatever there that's going to be shipped somewhere else to make it a smaller footprint, if they're going to try to make it where it's going to be one industrial city that's going to make it for the whole planet.
Speaker 3:Well, this is what it says Coworking spaces to support modern, flexible work environment. There will be a coworking spaces and offices designed to accommodate different types of businesses and freelancers.
Speaker 2:Right Industries and services.
Speaker 3:The city will include spaces for the various industries and services, ensuring that residents can find employment opportunities within the cities itself. Yeah, so it's going to be a viable living place that you're going to be able to live in. Most likely you have to pay rent. You still have a job. Right, you're getting paid for going to be able to live in. Most likely have to pay rent. You still have a job. You're getting paid for going to work within that area, which is cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, different yeah, yeah and then it would have its own economy and all that other stuff. I think all that stuff would be affected somehow yeah, that's gonna be.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be awesome. I mean, like you said, the renderings look freaking amazing. Bro, that looks. That does look like a really groovy spot to go and visit. You know that the renderings like it looks like the whole city is going to be really cool.
Speaker 2:You know those are. It does again. But if you, why? If you look at Dubai, dude, you're going to be like it's almost Dubai is more, you know, like it's along the coast kind of thing, but it's built up tall and it goes in a little ways. You know it's not as green as the line is going to be, but you know it still has that basic idea.
Speaker 1:The only thing I don't get with Dubai is but I guess I guess they do it just to like, for the grandioseness it's like. Why do they have like?
Speaker 2:you know police cars that like lamborghinis or whatever, so you know, you know listen it's one of those things because you know I've asked that question myself and you know is it's a super rich place yeah you know what I mean, so why not have?
Speaker 2:you know, yeah, you know, police car you know the people that are living there. They're all billionaires, not everybody, but you know they're billionaires, you know. So it's like they're funding this stuff crazy money man right. Well, how do you catch a lamborghini with, you know, with a dodge, you know what's the most?
Speaker 1:craziest thing about dubai is because there's people are so wealthy there that, like you know, you know a lot of these super sports cars. They're problematic, right. So like when the car just starts giving them problems, they just leave it on the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and again. So that's not a sustainable environment.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, it's not, but that's people being right.
Speaker 2:That's just being you know gazillionaires. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Listen, everything that I've ever read and polluting a car right, yeah, yeah, for the whole thing, the environment, leaving your car there, right?
Speaker 2:well, somebody else comes and picks it up, and then they just it must be nice huh to be able to do that.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, but you know that's just why. Yeah, it is, it's crazy it is.
Speaker 2:You know, dubai is very uh, like you said, because it's so rich, but they are still ahead of their time in a lot of things. Their buildings, their infrastructure is that of the future. Right, you know what I mean and that's what they've done. Yeah, they got the nabaginis because it's just money to blow, like you know. This is them like if it was us turning around and going to the junkyard and getting whatever bogus car for you know 300 bucks and putting it together ourselves. You know what I mean. The same idea with them, you know, for that kind of stuff. But their buildings are state-of-the-art, you know. They're super efficient in the air conditioning and heating and everything else that they need I guess it's good they're going in that direction, so that's the right thing again, they've realized that you know they need to do something like this.
Speaker 2:They need to, you know, get away from the idea of everything being fossil yeah, well, they got eventually got to get away from it.
Speaker 3:It's just.
Speaker 2:It's just killing the planet, yeah you got to see, I'm telling you, but you got to look at a uh, a space. I have bird's eye view of dubai and you will bug out on how the city is just laid out and they're building more more islands. Oh, yeah, yeah, they're building more things because they wanted to. I know that they did one that I said it was the um, the tree of life. Then they were doing another set, that was the. If you laid out the uh globe, the map, yeah, so that then each continent is an island, how?
Speaker 1:they did it how they did yes, so cool, they have this machine and like it dumps like the rock in and it it, these poles, poles, and they vibrate so it compacts better. And the poles just keep vibrating the sand in and compacting it in.
Speaker 2:It's like rock and sand and rock and they just build it up, they just keep pushing it. Yeah, it's solid. Yeah, it's freaking great. It's the coolest shit to watch. It's an engineering marvel Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I love all that stuff. That's the way we need to go for sure.
Speaker 1:No doubt about it, we're foolish for not New technology's developed, and maybe it's developed for fun and for what they're doing building a city. But now it's out there and say, hey, in the future we need to build maybe what's not the word, not a levee, but like a sandbar or something like that. They can build these really sustainable. It's not for tidal waves, it's for where they have tsunamis.
Speaker 3:They're able to break tsunamis and stuff.
Speaker 1:Maybe they can build these in the ocean, kind of like a.
Speaker 3:I always thought of stuff like a hurricane, where they can build a wall or stuff like so the water doesn't come in Because it always pulls the water in, where this wall will just come up mechanically and just block everything off.
Speaker 2:That's what they tried to do in Louisiana, and it didn't work this last time that they did it.
Speaker 3:But that's got to be a very difficult thing to do. That would probably take years for them to build something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen. So it is awesome that mines are actually still working.
Speaker 3:If that makes any sense. I'm glad mine is, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Mines are like actually working Engineers are still there to do these things. You know, and, like I said, you know, even if our grandparents and great-grandparents like we're not going to be alive, let them do it.
Speaker 1:We can't do the same. Stuff like this makes me feel like we have a brighter future. Sometimes, it's so dystopic.
Speaker 3:I know man, you ain't kidding the society we live in. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I know when I see stuff like this, I'm hopeful for the future.
Speaker 3:I'm like, wow, we have smart minds yeah, there's people out there that are actually thinking about the same stuff we are only they know how to really do it so that's the good thing you know somebody actually read a book.
Speaker 2:Right, you're thankful for them.
Speaker 3:You really are exactly, you know, as long as, and again, as long as it's it works. It's not going to hurt anybody, of course, and I don't think it would. I think it would be the probably the best thing you could do, honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no listen, this is going to be good. I think it's going to be really cool and groovy, you know, and I'm hoping that this is going to be a step in the right direction, you know, for our future. I mean shit, we got freaking sharks because the waters are so warm here in New York. There's sharks in the beaches of New York, I know, because the water is that warm already Up this far at this time of the year. Wow, you know what I mean. So you know the whole ecosystem is changing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that's again. That's Mother Nature just saying, hey, this is what's going to happen. So now you deal with it, yeah, and then double guess smart and figure it out and then do the right thing.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so it's not like a plan to me. Well, that being said, thank you, gentlemen. Good fun today. That was pretty groovy. Yes, sir, that was an interesting one. It was. That's going to be one to to. We'll talk about that again. We'll be back in 2030.
Speaker 3:We'll see.
Speaker 2:That'll be the podcast in 2030. Right To see what the line is going to look like. Yeah, well, that'll be a good one. Yep, we'll keep you updated, keep updated, yeah, anyway, all day, all right. So love, peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper.
Speaker 1:And go vegan. And remember, stay on the line. Yalla line.
