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Navigating Life's Final Choices: The Ethics of Assisted Suicide, the Stillness of Anesthesia, and the Quest for Immortality Through Cryogenics
Have you ever grappled with the idea of choosing the moment you say your final goodbye? Our latest episode takes an unflinching look at the heart-rending decisions surrounding assisted suicide and euthanasia. We peel back the layers on the ethics and emotions entwined in end-of-life choices, sharing stories and insights on everything from drafting advance directives to the strange and sobering stillness of lost time under anesthesia. Our conversation spans the personal to the philosophical, daring to question how we approach mortality and the dignity involved in facing it head-on.
This week, we're not just talking about the end; we're reimagining how we honor a life lived. With candid discussions about planning our own exit from this world, we contemplate everything from the type of send-off party that suits our style, to the curious and contentious realm of cryogenics. As we navigate the cultural and legal landscapes of medically assisted death, we probe into how different societies grapple with this ultimate choice, and we consider the poignant possibility of freezing time with the dream of a future revival.
There's an undeniable gravity to considering one's legacy and the ticking clock we all face. Yet, in this episode, we also find moments of levity and a sense of empowerment in taking control of our final chapter. We weigh the ethical quandaries, the cultural shifts, and the deep-seated human yearning for more time as we discuss the most personal autonomy we may ever claim—the autonomy over our own death. Join us for a profound journey through the complexities of life's end, where the science of cryogenics meets the philosophy of existence, and where every listener is invited to reflect on their own beliefs and hopes for the inevitable.
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, Kenny.
Speaker 1:Cotman, lewis Crawford and I'm Tom Remmage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:Yeeewww, how's everybody doing? What's up my peoples?
Speaker 1:Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 3:How's it going? You guys are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chilling the villain.
Speaker 3:Chilling the villain. That was a thank god-ish Friday.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, this is like the longest short week for me, god. And it wasn't a short week, right? No, we had a full week. Full week, yeah, last week was a short week.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah.
Speaker 2:It felt like months ago, it was like so long ago. That is insane. So everybody's good. We had a good week, though everybody's pretty. Peace, Good, good. How you feeling?
Speaker 1:Good Actually you too, sir. Yeah, I'm good man, Just so you know. Always fun. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are we talking about today?
Speaker 3:So I thought this was a good subject. You know, we don't talk about it a lot but, it's something I think it's necessary, you know so assisted suicide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that shit is out there, but I was like super deep, yeah. Yeah, that's a heavy one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, euthanasia, that's what we call it. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's right yeah.
Speaker 3:Right now. That's what they say. Now. They don't use the, you know really, because even when you look it up now, it's hard to find something that would have that. Euthanasia, no, assisted suicide.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess euthanasia is more of the alternate word. Well, actually well, actually, now you think about, euthanasia actually isn't assisted, it's just like the doctor's doing it, right?
Speaker 2:So technically that's not assisted.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:I think, assisted suicide is where they give you a device. Right, you're the one who does it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're the one who does it Right Really, oh, so then you have something.
Speaker 3:Well, no, actually it could go either way. You know what I mean. It could either be done by the doctor or you can. I'm just I think you can. I don't want to speak out of turn, but I know, when Konvorkian was around and he had his thing, he definitely set it up where it was, if I'm not mistaken, where they were the ones who operated it.
Speaker 2:Really, yeah, he had no hand in it.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's wild, yeah, except for getting it up you know, getting to a place where they needed to go right. I think he did it out of his hand, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did, he did right, and then he would call after it was happened. He would call for an ambulance or you know. Let him know someone passed away. You could find stuff on, I'm sure, if you put the Netflix or something you're going to find something on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there'll be. You know it'll be crazy to watch.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, but yeah but that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean, like I said, so you gave us some stuff you know for us to look at and go over, but I didn't. I said, until we just started speaking on it I didn't think nothing of it. In all honesty, you know, I didn't think of the process. You know, and I know we were talking about, I was telling you guys a movie that I saw a while back with Eric Roberts. It's an old movie called it's my Party and he was planning his. He literally threw a party for his death because he was assisted suicide and he said you just never really think about it. You know, and I guess that goes back to, like you know, we do our little shows, topics, I mean on our shows. You know, at the PSA, go and Get Help. You know, go talk to somebody. You know that people really think it all out to do assisted suicide.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, Right, and of course it's all about the situation.
Speaker 2:they're in right, so they're old and elderly and they're dying or they're house-heimers, or they're terminally ill.
Speaker 3:Or you know whatever it is and they're in pain, right. You know whatever it is and they're like I just want to go, right. I think people should have that option. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You know, we do it for animals. Yeah, right, Without any question.
Speaker 3:Why can't we do a few things? It's the same thing, right?
Speaker 1:Especially if there's no, I think, if it's in a situation where there's no chance of getting better it should be an option Right right.
Speaker 1:Obviously, you know, the thing that we tell people not to kill themselves for is depression, and you know stuff like that. That's different, that's not you know what I mean, but like because you know it's not forever, you know, for people who are do get to that point where they do want to kill themselves because they're depressed or they, you know that's because it feels like there's no end in sight Right right.
Speaker 2:So that's where it would be different.
Speaker 1:But for someone who's terminally ill or, like you said, where their mind is. Just you know, I heard from my buddy the other day. We were talking he mentioned someone that we're a mutual friend, like yeah, he's. I messaged him and he said he, you know, he forgets stuff, he's starting to lose his mind or whatever. He's a young guy Scary, I mean, I must.
Speaker 3:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I didn't get the full story because it's like a mutual friend, like a mutual Facebook friend.
Speaker 3:Right so but, I don't really know the person, right?
Speaker 1:But yeah, apparently he's. I don't know if it's early Alzheimer's or early dementia, but he's the guy's like in late 30s, you know Wow.
Speaker 2:Late 30s, early 40s. That's freaking, you know there's other things that can happen.
Speaker 1:You know it's not typical, but it can happen, you know, for other reasons.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. But, that's scary.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how people have so much going on in their lives and it affects everybody. It just goes to show you that you're here one day. You can be gone the next.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm. I'm being quite honest. If I was at a point where I completely lost my mind, I think that should be I would. I would want a contract that said like put it in your will just put it in your will and make sure it is lock stamp. Whatever you got to do, we're at the end point where I'm not having good days anymore.
Speaker 3:You know what they say with dementia.
Speaker 2:No, d, d and R my father had that yeah. But now, so that's what you're saying. So now, but then depending on what it is that you have would determine if it's a DNR. You know yeah. So then you're saying if your mind is that kind of gone, because so DNR I, to my understanding, was if you were yeah. So I'm saying if you're like so if he does die, when he dies is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not for a long time. Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3:Then they can't resuscitate him. He's gone, Right. I'm saying what got him there. You're talking about right. So that's what got him to the point where he doesn't, his mind is lost. So now he has that in a will when I get to this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And the doctors tell you yeah, he's, you can go right ahead and do what you have to do, right, exactly. Yeah, like because you know and that's. But that would have to be because you know people dimensionally. They said they have good days and bad days.
Speaker 3:Right, but eventually something can always spark a memory, or something bad.
Speaker 1:Days start, become more frequent.
Speaker 2:Right, and then there's no more good days Right. It's like that, where I've completely lost, like yeah, like, yeah, yeah yeah, why keep me around to be, you know I mean, yeah, I don't want to be, yeah, I don't want to just be sitting in here and you know my I'm looking out the window, but yeah, you know I can't say anything. I can't imagine what that's like. I mean, you don't know, it's scary. I mean it's scary.
Speaker 1:I think the scary part is what he's in now when he knows it's happening. I think once you don't know it's happening, it's not scary anymore. It's sad for the sad, for the family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I get it, but for the person themselves it's, it's sad, but at the same time they don't, they don't really know what's happening.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, it's just sad and when that stuff? Happens. You know, like we were just talking now. So Kvorkian helped a woman out who was diet, who had Alzheimer's, and the machine that he had to uh, she was 54 years old, early stages of Alzheimer's disease killed herself by using so-called Mercitron machine. Is the machine that he made? Okay, oh, that he made. He invented it. Yeah, he was the one. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 3:I don't have a picture of it, but I. I believe it was IV bottles. Okay, and you, just when you press the button, one would do its job, then the next one would do the job, and then the next one. By the time you get to where you are, you're already out cold, right? You know what I mean. You're not aware that it's happening.
Speaker 1:Now, why was there several ones? Is that in case you could stop it? I guess you're getting one In case you last minute decided you wanna stop it.
Speaker 3:I don't know that's a good question. That's a really good question. I don't know, but I think you had to. You had to administer it in a certain way where it needs to be done properly. So whatever drugs he was using.
Speaker 2:First he had this one and yeah, like once it's gonna happen, right, and you're gonna start feeling this and then this is gonna happen and then, and then, before you know it, you're not even gonna realize what's going on.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. So well, yeah, cause? Then think about it. If you did it, depending on what it is, you might be trying to catch your breath, or you start to get panicky because you're feeling your palpitations, or lack thereof. So they, so one is to like make you drowsy, to calm you down. The other one they're starting to be the actual drug that's gonna, you know, like a fentanyl, to just like stop your heart or whatever. Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know if I, you know, do I do the joke? Now, it's like, you know, put it in my contract, in my contract, in my will, that you know, when I don't recognize boobies, just take me out of my misery.
Speaker 3:Just shoot me Like a horse out of the pasture. I don't recognize that those are boobs. Just I told my son that one. So I said just shoot, just take me out back. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, done, yeah, that's fucking great. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I'd be able to do that. No, I think I'd say this shit, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. Because, well, listen when you go into when you go in for a procedure right. Right right, right Now. They're only putting you out for 30 minutes.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Right Most of the times. If it's a small colonoscopy or sometimes you go for surgery, it's a little longer, right, Right, but when they put you out, they're out cold. Do you remember anything? No, no, no, no, no. Wait, Right, right, right, no, no, no, no. Do you remember anything?
Speaker 2:when you get up.
Speaker 1:No, no, you feel like you just got. You went out more Like you just got there, and then you.
Speaker 3:now you're in your bed all of a sudden.
Speaker 2:Right Out of the blue. Like how the hell did I get here yeah?
Speaker 3:So, fast.
Speaker 1:But meanwhile you had no clue that whole time you are ouch, it's so weird because that's not like that when you go to bed.
Speaker 3:Like when you go to bed. No, it's not like that.
Speaker 1:When you wake up, like you know, time has passed.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Like when you get, when you it really feels like time war.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right right, it looks like you go oh, like I close my eyes and like, oh, hey, count backwards again and, like Tom, wake up, like well, that's what it's like.
Speaker 3:It's time to get up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like it's like count backwards from 10, 10, nine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like Tom, wake up, are we good? What If you had your wear with Tom like seven six? That would be funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I'm saying I don't know if I would be able to.
Speaker 3:I was wrong. He said oh really, so they had to give me something. He did. He has it, but it's ministered like an IV that each one has.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:And there is. Yeah, I have pictures here, yeah. Okay, it's pretty crazy looking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, I'm saying I just don't know if I would be able to just go through that, yeah yeah. I can't sit here and say yeah, you know, if I get to this point, do it Like I don't know if I can write it in my book.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that's the point you don't get. You're totally missing the point. Yeah, yeah, because you need to do it now so that when you are there you're not gonna be. You mean, I have the capability of fucking being able to do it when you get there.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:So all you're doing is just saying okay just in case, if this happens, or if this happens like you wanna say, it's not gonna only be that, it's gonna be oh, and then the house, the kids will get it. Or if I have this, but we split it up that way, but you have to specify how you want it done.
Speaker 1:There's another reason why I gotta do it early too, because you might your contract it's a contract. It might be null, it might be null. Avoid if you're not competent, you're not competent.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I get it Me sitting here right now.
Speaker 1:You got that signed contract while you're mentally competent?
Speaker 3:No right, but I'm saying me sitting here now, but not even the contract sitting here will, yeah, yeah, it's already in your will.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. You can't start a will when you're not when you're.
Speaker 3:No, right, you can't Now, they're not gonna do that. You're not concerned about the contract? Yeah, they're not gonna do that. So that's what I'm saying. That's the whole idea of a will. Will is not just how you die or how you want them to. No, I don't want you to bring me back If I'm gone, if you know that I'm to the point where I was, to the point and it would be the point of bringing me back when I wasn't even good shaped to begin with. Just let me go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I get all that, I'm just saying right here, right now I don't know if I'd be able to put that in my will, like me with this mental right now, not that I wouldn't be able to go through the process. I don't know if I would be like cool enough to like you know what. Yeah, if I get to that point, just make that happen. What I'm saying making sense to you?
Speaker 3:No, no, it doesn't. Honestly, it doesn't make any sense to me. So, like this, You're surprised.
Speaker 2:Ratings what you're doing Again. But that's what I'm saying. I don't know if I'm just too chicken shit to say all right, do that, but there's nothing to be.
Speaker 3:But you're looking at I think that's what, if I'm seeing it the way you are? You're looking at it from a different angle, like you don't know what's gonna happen. You don't know what went, but it's if you're in a car accident and you're in a fucking coma. Goth a bit Just putting this out there. Now you go to the hospital. This, no, he's never coming back.
Speaker 2:And then that would be so I could write that. But I'm saying like if I had what happens if you have surgery?
Speaker 3:What happens if you have a heart attack or a stroke, Any of those things? So it's not gonna be. I think you would have to be like in any of these circumstances, I don't know how specific or what? But you should put it because it's a safe. What's the word I'm looking for? In other words, you're basically you're taking care of yourself and you're not fucking it up for everybody else who's behind you. Now you're gone and now they gotta figure it out.
Speaker 2:Right, how to take care of your kids. That's a pain in the ass, right, you're just gonna come back to life.
Speaker 3:So what you're really doing is you're helping everybody who's gonna be the people who are gonna be handling it for you. And it's only fair to them, your kids, your wife, whoever it is right, Put it in writing. It's not a big deal. You're not putting out an omen that it's gonna happen that way.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, I get it. Yeah, because I mean let's just say, God forbid that it's all simmers, or something like that. I don't know if I would say, or if my mind would be that kind of foobar, that then I'm like I'm just afraid that I would get to that point there, just as I'm saying, yeah, just today, october 15th, if my mind is that kind of fucked up, this is what you're gonna do, just assisted suicide. But then on the 16th they're making they have the cure. That's where my thinking is. I know you can look at me like that or you won't. Bro, I was the guy that said I wanna be a fucking cyborg, I get that.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna get cured. But by thinking that way, you're battling against yourself on something you have no control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess that's what it is. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3:we're all gonna die and hopefully it won't be shitty. But if it is, and you're going down that road, something happens to one of us that we go through something that we wouldn't want it to happen to the other, obviously You're gonna be saying, man, I think Lou's doing the right thing. Or Kenny Tom. You're gonna be like, yeah, I'm glad he's doing that, I don't wanna see himself for anymore, whatever it is.
Speaker 3:So, whether it's that or the other thing, you just never know, it's just there is this to have to be a backup and help everybody else before you.
Speaker 2:I mean you're taking care of it.
Speaker 3:You're not coming back, bro. I'm talking about, I'm thinking elderly. Right, we're elderly now. And now your liver's failing up.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You know what it's like that kind of happened with my father.
Speaker 3:You're getting older your body's, and then you're getting a. No, you're gonna be at a point you're gonna be glad to say you know, I'm glad I put that in there so these guys don't have to worry about it, and then I can just go and make it do their thing. You know it's really, you know it should be a non-selfish act. Not saying that what you're saying.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I get what you're saying. I hear you all day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you have to think about it and out of the box or the thing too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking about it. Like I said, just me. I don't know if I wanna, if I would be able to write that in my will, but I hear what you're saying, Then it makes sense. It makes sense Cause I always said I don't want my kids, my wife, to have to take care of me, like that, you know. No, Put me in a home or something like that you know. But I guess, depending on what it is that I've got that, then you know, we're never gonna know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know I'm, I'm no.
Speaker 3:But going back to what we were originally talking about, people who are at that point, obviously, Right Right. They're at the point where they know this is gonna be bad. They were probably already told that by the doctor or whatever it is they're going through and they promised. They made their loved one promise to them, even after they did what they did. Right, listen, I get you're gonna take care of it, right, and you're gonna be like yeah that's what you want.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm gonna do, right, you know what I mean. People know you know. You're gonna know we're gonna know. Yeah, you know you're gonna know. Yeah, You're dying and hopefully it'll just happen and you don't have to worry about it. Yeah right, no shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just boom, dying my kids over. What's that expression?
Speaker 3:Oh, I hope I die and I sleep. Yeah, right, cause everybody figures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're a piece of quite that's the call. Right, You're a piece. You didn't suffer. That's so fucking terrifying, and what?
Speaker 3:are you? Dreaming about who the fuck says that shit Think about it.
Speaker 1:I just go in the bed. You might not wake up again. What the?
Speaker 2:fuck, how am I gonna sleep now?
Speaker 1:It's true, though that would keep me up at night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's pretty. So, listen, I was watching it.
Speaker 1:I'd rather.
Speaker 3:Good, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, I'm sorry. No, no, finish it up. You'd rather what. I would rather, as morbid as it sounds, I'd rather know I'm dying, like, like, oh, you know, it's the end. I'm dying, you know, like, then die in my sleep. I'd rather, like you know, just like, not like in pain, but just like you know it's the end I'm dying, you know. And then I could say goodbye to everybody, but like, just wake up one day, not wake up one day, I'll wake up one day.
Speaker 3:But you might wake up somewhere and you're like hey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, fuck, am I? Yeah outside the matrix.
Speaker 3:You know so is there anything else? Yeah, Dude. So I mean, listen we.
Speaker 1:Become a living force.
Speaker 3:Right. I mean we wanna. We wanna listen. Do we wanna live that forever? I think that's the human nature, I think I think that's the thing we all survive. I wish I could just live long and be healthy and do all these crazy things, but we you have to be honest with yourself and realize that at some point and hopefully not until later in our lives we're gonna go you know, it's our natural instinct, Absolutely because you know what Dying is a scary thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, honestly, listen to me. Does it hurt? You know? I mean depending, you know, like does dying?
Speaker 1:hurt, like you know, yeah, like it's depending on how you die, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, here's the thing.
Speaker 3:So this woman was talking about something. I think it was on Instagram. She said just think about it After you die your house gets sold and all your things gets, you know, dispersed and they're given away and thrown out.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, your car is gone, mm-hmm, that's it, everything is. You know, all that stuff. When you think of it in that aspect, you like, yeah, right, because you can't take it with you. Right, right, it's important while you have it now, but at the same time you think of yourself yeah, you're right, it's really not that important because, honestly, right, you know when said that point happens, you know it's just.
Speaker 3:And then if at time people are gonna forget you, right, right, I mean, that's just the nature of of life, you know, depending on you know, yeah, so it's just, you know, you, we get, we're getting older and we have to think, oh, all right, you know, all right, I know, I'm at 58, I'm gonna be 58, right, I'm like, oh, I'm getting older, now I'm pushing, in a couple years I'll be 60 years old, it kind of. You know when I think about it. So I know, like I can't even believe I'm gonna be 60 years old right now. Like, you know, don't think about it, because I'm 57, right, be 58. And then when 59 comes around, I'll wait for it. You know, like, don't think it in that aspect and jump ahead two years, right, enjoy the time, each one at the time that I got it you know, and that's a probably a more healthy way to do it, but I think people, if they need to, I Say yes.
Speaker 2:I think it should be legal and it's legal in a lot of states now right, yeah, so like one of things here, it's a A lot of places are recognizing it because of you know, like you're saying you know, for those reasons, right, you know, I'm saying like Jersey just did it, vermont, oregon, maine, washington, hawaii, california, colorado, dc Our eligible terminally ill patients can legally seek medical assistance and dying by a licensed physician. You know, at the same time, other states Alabama, arizona, georgia, idaho, louisiana, new Mexico, ohio, south Dakota and Utah have in recent years strengthened their laws against it. So now but then, that would be a religious thing, though, because those aren't those more, because if you kill yourself it's a sacrilege. You know you're going to hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. A lot of religions I think are against, yeah, suicide.
Speaker 2:Right. So that might be why those states you know say no yeah, and having done it you know Bible right, right, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Bible, though that's probably why they didn't. But you know, then you just go somewhere else and get it done. But yeah, yeah, I mean, like I said, I Think you would just have to be. You know that pain is there, you know All that. Your mind is gone, that you would turn around and say yeah, you know. And then now too, do you go shopping for it, like you know, like when you go for your general practitioner, you know, I'm saying like you look for that right doctor for you know, the whatever you don't get, you know, whatever Josh Mow that's, you know so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I can do it for a low, low price of 2599. You know what I mean. They didn't know.
Speaker 1:Do you the good part and you said shopping around. It got me thinking. You know the good part about that kind of thing like assisted suicide or anything like that, is it knowing that you want to go? You can. I was thinking shopping around for caskets.
Speaker 2:Popped my head but you can.
Speaker 1:You can plan your funeral the way you want it.
Speaker 2:Yeah what, I already know how I want mine. I've already told anybody, yet.
Speaker 1:I mean, we tell people and it's kind of like, but you actually could play as you know, this is the day, and I'm gonna die. You can meet. Morpid imagine meet with the funeral director. Imagining with the funeral director for your own funeral.
Speaker 3:Yeah dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that would be weird.
Speaker 1:But imagine like yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:I don't know how I'm gonna be, so it doesn't yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what I'm saying, like you you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like I mean you can plan your own, like Literally playing your own funeral. And the time you're not out and we're doing it our way, but we want it. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we're playing it ahead, but I'm saying ahead.
Speaker 3:We already would. We're not doing the whole.
Speaker 1:If you do an assisted suicide, you actually have a date set like kind of like a wedding right.
Speaker 2:So then now would it be a party? Yeah, would you do a party?
Speaker 1:I told my kids we told our kids what?
Speaker 3:we want you to do is we don't want you, we don't want a funeral home. We're gonna tell you how we want to be mm-hmm right, go through the whole motions of how we want it done, this, that, nothing, and then I want you all go back to our house, right? Barbecue, hangout, drink, talk, cry laugh all that shit Right life that you guys knew. I like it when you're right. Yeah, enjoy, do it that way. Yeah, that's a good way to do, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm way cool with that. That is fun. I don't want to talk shit about me.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna be there anymore, so we do know what you're alive with?
Speaker 2:the fucks of difference. Yeah, fucking Louie's opinion, my yes.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think I would rather yeah coming into Jersey, guy no seriously, though, that is a good way to do it, I think yeah, definitely I would like that.
Speaker 2:I never wanted a regular funeral. You know, regardless of how I was gonna pass, I never wanted to just a regular funeral. I always wanted a party. You know I used to make a joke that I would so, back in the day when it was the VHS. As I'm gonna record a VHS I'm gonna put. I want you to play it at the funeral home or wherever you're throwing the party, because then I'm gonna turn it minus like fuck you fuck you I want to do that.
Speaker 2:You were cool. Yeah, that guy's always. That was my whole shit. I'll have a video. I'll do the video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if assisted suicide became a thing right.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know, would become a nice becoming a thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I mean, but I know a lot of the place.
Speaker 1:But like it becomes so normalized we're right, oh, I should you know you know how? Like you know, all these fads start like the like now everybody does the gender reveal party right, send off parties. Yeah right, it's like.
Speaker 2:That's gonna be a send off like I'm gonna throw a big party. You know I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna send off who's gonna do the biggest party. I'm gonna throw the last party over. Be you guys gonna get me full.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why? Hmm, my last party and yeah, yeah, that will be the.
Speaker 1:I don't think.
Speaker 2:I don't think it would.
Speaker 1:I don't think it would be like that. I think it would be more. Well, I don't know, I don't know, maybe some people would want to go like that. I would just have close friends. Hey, you know it's gonna be the last time we're together, you know. Well, I mean think of how close it is already, share some memories. You know let's have a good time. Right, it will go. But I don't know, depends. If I mean, if you're terminally ill, then I guess you're not going to park.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, but look at look at how it is.
Speaker 3:I'm come to you.
Speaker 2:You have certain people, certain religions, certain places where people throw parties. Yeah, yeah, for your funerals. Like you know they do, they show making the oh my goodness, it's all about eating after the funeral. Man here.
Speaker 3:Well, no, no, but I'm saying, they do the party funerals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would. They, you know, but it's the eating and the drinking after I'm talking about. Like the Actual going to the funeral to do the burial and whatnot. Like they're dancing, they got the casket up on their shoulders, they have it all the all the um was that video? Yeah, on social media where they're dancing with the caskets on the thing you know.
Speaker 2:there was a guy, a rapper. I believe it was a Few years ago that they had his body At the club propped up in the casket and that, and they were throwing a party, yeah, no way.
Speaker 1:You know so that then we joked around when I was younger, was like, when I die, yeah, we're gonna pick my body up, put me in the corner and fill with ice and beer. Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what the joke was. You know I'm saying so. You know We've been kind of sort of talking about this stuff for a long time and you know now, like you said, here it is assisted no suicide.
Speaker 1:You know, like I still come, around all the time saying, when I die, to take my body to a taxidermist Mechanical arm and put me in front of the house.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, that's so.
Speaker 2:That's. Dark sets you do no. I mean the funny road actually moderate a dark humor like Facebook group, so I have very dark. What did your wife say? You ever talk about shit.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah she's oh, wow.
Speaker 3:Listen to this Uh-huh. In the United States, pas is limited to those who have a prognosis six months or less to live in other countries such as Germany, canada, switzerland, spain, italy, austria, belgium and the Netherlands. Our terminal diagnosis is not a requirement, and voluntary Euthanasia is additionally allowed.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, that's the difference between us.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we were so tight. Well, I don't know because I mean, I think something, because what you know, it is, I think that it's one of those things.
Speaker 2:Like I was saying, there's a lot more people that are feeling like you know what? I Don't know if I want to go now, even if I have six months or less, in two months or in three months, they could be a cure and I'll be fine wouldn't be.
Speaker 3:It wouldn't be if you had six or Less. How do you know? Because you would be at a. You would know at what point you would be ready to do it. I'm sure I mean most of people who are. They were terminally. They were like at the end so six months is terminal. Yeah, I'm saying, you're saying you're already six months into it, or you just say no, no, you. So we just read was that, if you're six months.
Speaker 2:So then, like I said, if I already know that in six months I'm going to die because this cancer, or whatever it is Then in three day, in three months, they come up with the cure and I'm like, ah, you know, because I already, you know, I'm already gone, you know. So it's like that's that.
Speaker 1:Then you just put a stipulation, the contract, if they come out with a.
Speaker 2:Just did it. That's why I said before you know, october 15th is when I have my you know my send-off party, because I'm gonna die this afternoon, whatever. And then October 16th or 17th, they got the fucking cure.
Speaker 3:I don't. I mean, I don't think it's exactly like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you would know because they're talk. They be talking about the FDA is trying to prove the cure they have for this and well, but okay, so now let's go back then think about all the cry. I hear you would hear all that well, think about cryogenics.
Speaker 2:So people turn around, they put themselves on ice Because they didn't want to die, because they wanted to like when the cure came out. So that then now, if I signed the paperwork for this to happen and I'm doing this system, I know, I know, I know, but you know me because you know we make me in, not we make me, I made me the, you know, like a devil's advocate to play it back and forth. So you know, like, this is the ideas, this is the thought process for me personally. You know I'm saying that I'm like wow, well, what the fuck? Because I feel like I'm Superman.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean I want to live for, like I mean I not literally, but I want to live to at least be 110, because I want to say I live to be 110. You know this is cool because of all the things I see. You know what I mean and and and just what my life is, and I would like to see, you know just, my kids grown up. I want to see my kids, you know, old, like that. I think it'll be kind of cool.
Speaker 1:You know I'm saying the thing with the cryogenics, though, is like you have to look at it, though, that it's still kind of assisted suicide if they can never figure out away. But see, yeah right, that's a whole shit.
Speaker 2:So then you know what it may have been that that's what that really was, and people just Didn't even know that that's what it was. You know what I'm saying? Because, yeah, how the fuck do you throw somebody back up? That's, you know, I'm saying it's not like your chicken. Yeah and it didn't. But no, you can't do it that kind of slow, because if you do it that kind of slow, this is a thing if they can freeze you, they could unfreeze you.
Speaker 3:That's the whole point of doing it.
Speaker 1:I think it. If they ever figure out the crowd genics thing, I feel like you would have to have something in you that like Prevent you from dying while you're frozen right. Yeah, it's some kind of implant or something like. What movie was that Demolition man Yo?
Speaker 2:that was on the chip out fro frozen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that just kept your mind because they were rehabilitating you, yeah, so then that's what was there to keep your mind going. You know what I mean? Yeah, and you were still plugged in. I think you, I think they had a thing that you will kind of plugged in, but still, either way, you're knocked out. You know what I'm saying? I don't know man, I just. I Think that that's what my worry is. I think that's what a lot of people's worry is here. You know that it's not about just that terminally ill and you know, until I'm gonna pass away in six months, you know it's the what. If you know what if there's a cure, just as I'm getting ready to go and do this, you know what if I was? I'm sitting there, I've already administered it and we're watching the news, or I hear it, like there's our queue and no one it's done.
Speaker 3:Because you know, you need to get out of your head. You need to.
Speaker 1:Wow, this is not for you. Would you like to see another car? Yeah, that's a good one bro.
Speaker 2:But no, I mean, like I said, I get it, you know, and and I wish that people didn't have to go through that kind of pain. Yeah, I'm saying that that just sucks doggy nuts, you know not this it does, it's not good storage of human remains.
Speaker 3:Well, with this speculative hope that insurrection, resurrection. Maybe, possible in the future. Cryogenics is regarded with skeptic, skepticism, skepticism with the. And with the mainstream scientific community, is generally viewed as, and His practice has been characterized as, quackery.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, if you, you die, you fucking, you're dead. If you, yeah, yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 1:I think it has to do with ice crystals in your Because it.
Speaker 3:It's probably a very, very slow and yeah, they have to do it away where it doesn't damage the skin or any of the. Nils in your body and your tissue freezing like if you were freezing in, like in Alaska or something like that right.
Speaker 1:They would have to the freezing process. They'd have to figure out how not to damage you while freezing you right you're frozen, you're fucked if they Didn't figure out how to do this.
Speaker 2:So now blow your mind to say okay, all right. A minute.
Speaker 3:But if they do find, yeah, thank you, and they can bring me back, they're gonna pull me back for where I could have been already for all that time, right, Right, mm-hmm. So I'm saying that you think of it that way, like people, like you know, now I'm coming back.
Speaker 1:Like what happens if all your family is fucking dead?
Speaker 2:Yeah the time you get on, you start over.
Speaker 1:You, just you. Basically, time traveled into the future.
Speaker 2:Listen, I don't know bro.
Speaker 1:I'm your great-great-grandfather. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Future Rama, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's there's, there's pros and cons to you know, just the ideas, the thoughts of it. You know I'm not gonna say different.
Speaker 3:Listen, it's not a novelty, it's no, no, no right. Say, hey, I get it, I understand it. If people need to do something to be out of pain and just go peacefully right, then I say do what you got to, do it your life. No one can tell you what to do or how to be. You need to do what's good for yourself and that Honestly goes with everything else right, right yeah definitely including that one.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, definitely, so definitely. Yeah yeah, yeah, cuz you know you said nobody, we don't want to live in pain, you know, we know what it is and we see pain in my life.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, bro, it fucking sucks. You know, but you think you look at people that that you know have dementia, that have Alzheimer's, that you know I'm going through all those kind of mental issues, that mental pain, that way you know terminal cancer and whatnot. You know people that were in remission and you know not anymore. You know, yeah, they get tired of what they've gotten tired of. You know all the chemo and you know all the doctors appointments.
Speaker 3:You know whatever else you know they do it minutes, by the way, nothing to rub me. After you die, they start the process to freeze you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's right away.
Speaker 3:It's done immediately.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're already dead when they freeze?
Speaker 1:Yes, they gotta figure out how to resuscitate you yeah cryo protectants to any to try to prevent ice formation during the cryo preservation but now they have to figure out how to bring you back to life. So that's another thing they gotta figure out how does it you?
Speaker 3:You're hoping to hit the lottery I would.
Speaker 1:I would have figured they were. They were gonna freeze you alive, right that's what I thought it was After you die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought you were just like in the. Was it a medical?
Speaker 3:kind of command. When they put them in, they send them into the Phantom Zone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That is that, isn't you know it, that someone, whoever came up with this, yeah. Genius because they're making money.
Speaker 2:They're never yeah well, you can freeze sperm, yeah, but that's a different, because it's it's not it's microscopic, so it doesn't get it's not the same thing. You know I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3:I'm saying that they're able to do that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh okay, I got you, yeah, and you know, yeah, yeah, that's insane though. So you're already fucking dead. They're freezing your body, and then they're telling you that if we find a cure for this, we're gonna throw you out, but then you have to resuscitate me.
Speaker 1:So then get me to administer the cure, yeah you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:right, man, listen. That's the dumbest. You're right there, a fucking genius. Because that's the dumbest shit.
Speaker 1:I never paid no attention to it. So like, if you die from terminal cancer, it's like oh, he died from terminal cancer, now freeze him, so like, but the cancer already killed him.
Speaker 2:So now what yeah?
Speaker 3:If you're gonna come back, it'll happen differently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm thinking to my sideboard shit. So the other?
Speaker 1:thing I'm sure they haven't figured out, but like Freezer, burn anyone yeah no, right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, actually, if you're in, well, remember, it's a different type of reasons not well, also, you know how to. You know how to prevent it, like something, from getting freezer burn, right. But you, if it's something you can submerge in water, say like I don't know, you have something like Chicken. Yeah, like I, just a solid piece of something right, okay, you know if you?
Speaker 1:they say, if you put it in water and then freeze it, it won't get freezer burn. Okay, cause freezer burn happens from the cold, cause we're getting so on a fucking topic here yeah.
Speaker 1:I tend to do so. Freezer burn happens from the dry air, because the colder, the drier the environment, so there's no humidity, so it just starts to slowly. It actually things actually like actually do like evaporate in the freezer, but it's very slowly. That's why you ever have an ice. I mean, everybody has ice machines now. But if you have an ice tray and you leave it in there Too long, the cubes would be smaller. The cubes are like nothing.
Speaker 2:Cause it dehydrates.
Speaker 1:So that's what freezer burn is. So they say if you were encased in ice, that you don't get freezer burn. That's why the fucking woolly mammoth which is gonna say it's an ice, Right, right right the woolly mammoth has died there.
Speaker 3:Now they want to resurrect that now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a whole nother episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's nice and it's for environmental reasons too, it's supposed to help for the environment. But we'll get into that next time. I love that kind of stuff, though. When they mess around with that, that's insane.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, but like you know. So, going back to our thing, you know, I just think that people, you know, they shouldn't take this as a reason to commit suicide.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's not what it was.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I just want to say that you know. That you know mental issues, mental health issues. You know, talk to somebody. Like we always say go and get the help. This and the reason for our show tonight was just about terminally ill people Like you know. I just started to say you know you had the cancer to not extend the. Alzheimer's and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:you know it's helping assisting people Right. So, they can be, they can go constantly without having to die in agony or whatever Right Just to be in that kind of pain, right. Yes, yeah. Why do that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But if someone is feeling, just you know, the suicide alone is a different thing, because people are just doing it on the fly, or sometimes they. I guess they can plan it out, I don't know. All I'm saying is those people need to go talk to somebody, they need to think about everybody else around them before they do something and try to understand how that's going to affect them. When you do it, you know, get it, you're in pain. Depression sucks.
Speaker 3:Right, I mean unfortunately, here in this community. Just a few days ago, I believe, a young man took his life and he must have been in extremely horrible pain for him to do what he did and cause he was suffering. Yeah, obviously there was something going on. So I mean that's a whole different thing. Right, right, right, right.
Speaker 2:But this isn't today, you know. This is something else, yeah.
Speaker 3:This is about a really good subject that people, everybody knows about. It's not like it's a dog secret or anything Right. It's come a long way, because back in the day when it first started, really, you know, it wasn't accepted Right. So it's come a long way, cause I don't think it was this many states to begin with, it was, I think, only one or two. Now it's more Right. So that's good progress and of course, you know you're they're always ahead of us. I mean, they've been around a lot longer.
Speaker 3:So when we're playing catch up as far as you know, figuring stuff out and not having a thumb up or ass all the time. But I think it's just you know. You know we're young. So you know whatever, but I think people I know I play listen. My father had a DNR Right and I I honored it. I you know this is what he wants, this is his life, you know what I mean. And so he went the way he wanted to go. I know he was scared.
Speaker 2:I know he was scared. I know he was scared of that His father?
Speaker 3:he absolutely was. He was frightened to death about it. I take him to the dog. This is. I see it on his face. You know he was just.
Speaker 2:It's a you're getting old.
Speaker 3:It's changing your life. You know, look where we're at now, right, so you're not knowing the way we were when we were back 20 years old 20 years ago right.
Speaker 3:Now we're ahead and you're like, oh, I think you think differently, things are different in your life. You're more right, you're established. Hopefully everything's going well. I mean, you still have shit, whatever, but you know what I mean. Then we're going to get older and we're going to get older and we're going to adjust for all that, for the time that we do it Right. Hopefully we get to a nice right by the day and then we'll see Adios bitches, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm in love with stuff All right, going to see some people's I haven't seen a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go see the concert.
Speaker 2:You know, think about that. Yo bro listen. I think we all have that moment of fear for death, of course, because you know you never know, but you know it probably happens. It probably happens faster than we think, you know, like our minds are already probably fucking gone before the body officially shuts down.
Speaker 3:Actually, I think it's the other way around.
Speaker 2:No don't say that I'm trying to do that little.
Speaker 3:Don't they check also, like the hard to go first or whatever is how you die and die, but they say there's still activity going on for a little bit before you actually but I don't think it's on free this guy.
Speaker 1:But I wonder if you're visually conscious or just your brain.
Speaker 2:What I was saying. That's what I'd be worried about. Are you in a dream?
Speaker 3:state, or are you? No? No, these are good questions. Yeah, when I see you on the other side, I'll let you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, yeah, no, no, don't come back and say shit to me, motherfucker.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm saying that, so don't come back, I have to go first. I'll wait for you guys and I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 2:So what happened was that is crazy. Well, that was a super interesting one, sir Lou. Yeah, I thought so, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was wild. That was a food for thought big time.
Speaker 1:Definitely.
Speaker 2:Big time, big time. So with that, gentlemen, our time is up. So it was cool, it was groovy. Appreciate you guys. Again, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1:Same here. Follow us on all social media.
Speaker 2:Yep, like follow all that other good stuff Absolutely. So again, thank you everybody for listening. Love peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan, holla OK.
