What if the X-Men '97 reboot is everything fans have been dreaming of and more? Join us, Keny Cottman and Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy, as we geek out over this highly anticipated series in our latest episode. We passionately discuss the iconic theme song, character highlights, and fan service moments that have left us thrilled—like Gambit charging Wolverine's blades and Cyclops using his blasters to land. With intense excitement, we analyze Magneto’s new role and appearance, Storm’s mohawk and character arc, and the standout powers of characters like Forge and Morph.
Shifting gears, we delve into the future of comic book franchises, particularly the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Could the X-Men and Fantastic Four be the rejuvenation the MCU needs? We explore this possibility, drawing parallels with Dave Filoni's success with Star Wars and advocating for the return of X-Men '97’s original creator. We also touch on the hurdles facing DC films, lamenting missed opportunities with actors like Henry Cavill as Superman, and stressing the crucial role of fan service in modern superhero storytelling.
Our episode doesn’t stop there! We also chat about the latest in pop culture, covering new sci-fi series and films, including upcoming Star Wars content, the Matrix franchise, and the evolution from DVDs to streaming services. We offer our take on the Halo series on Amazon, share personal experiences with the franchise, and analyze the new Super Mario Brothers movie. Lastly, we dive into the rich lore of Star Wars, discussing characters that blur the Jedi-Sith line and looking forward to new series like Ahsoka. Join us for a nostalgic yet forward-looking discussion that’s sure to ignite your passion for these beloved franchises.
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What if the X-Men '97 reboot is everything fans have been dreaming of and more? Join us, Keny Cottman and Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy, as we geek out over this highly anticipated series in our latest episode. We passionately discuss the iconic theme song, character highlights, and fan service moments that have left us thrilled—like Gambit charging Wolverine's blades and Cyclops using his blasters to land. With intense excitement, we analyze Magneto’s new role and appearance, Storm’s mohawk and character arc, and the standout powers of characters like Forge and Morph.
Shifting gears, we delve into the future of comic book franchises, particularly the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Could the X-Men and Fantastic Four be the rejuvenation the MCU needs? We explore this possibility, drawing parallels with Dave Filoni's success with Star Wars and advocating for the return of X-Men '97’s original creator. We also touch on the hurdles facing DC films, lamenting missed opportunities with actors like Henry Cavill as Superman, and stressing the crucial role of fan service in modern superhero storytelling.
Our episode doesn’t stop there! We also chat about the latest in pop culture, covering new sci-fi series and films, including upcoming Star Wars content, the Matrix franchise, and the evolution from DVDs to streaming services. We offer our take on the Halo series on Amazon, share personal experiences with the franchise, and analyze the new Super Mario Brothers movie. Lastly, we dive into the rich lore of Star Wars, discussing characters that blur the Jedi-Sith line and looking forward to new series like Ahsoka. Join us for a nostalgic yet forward-looking discussion that’s sure to ignite your passion for these beloved franchises.
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, kenny Cotman, lewis Crawford.
Speaker 1:And I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:How's everybody doing? What's going on, my brother, what's going on man? Nothing much, nothing much. It's just us two today. Yes, it's just you and me.
Speaker 1:It's just Kyle and the Jigs guy Louis is still in Tennessee. Yep, hanging out, hanging out with Enjoying life, enjoying life, yeah, enjoying the simple life?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Enjoying the simple life? Yeah. So that means Tom and I can geek out, yeah we're gonna do a little geek out episode.
Speaker 1:Let me talk about some stuff. Yes, and uh, there will be spoilers. So, uh, just when we start talking about it, just know whatever we're talking about, we are not gonna hold back, we're gonna. Even if, uh, one of us hasn't seen it, it's all good, all good, yeah, uh, and we're gonna go through spoilers. So you know what we're gonna start with x-men and 97.
Speaker 1:Yes, that fucking theme song. I was so happy the way they kept the theme song, but it sounded a little more. It sounded actually more retro, like that ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Right right, right, right the synth waves Yep, yep, they were extra on the synth waves. They were like you know we're going to go extra on it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what they did with the whole show retro. That's what they did with it. Like you know, they made, they made sure they kept it. I don't even honestly say that it was extra retro. I think they just did it what it like, what it was right and man just kudos bravo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I gotta say, and every character on that show was highlighted. They did so much fan service. Yeah, the fan service on that was amazing. Just seeing so many things you got to see some of the characters do combo moves. Yes, that's right. What was what? Did like gambit charge up? Like uh, he charged up fucking wolverine's blades and he had fucking charged fucking blades.
Speaker 2:It was freaking insane and but he did. He did it with everything. Yeah, you know, like you said, he was able to do it because I don't think I've ever saw him do it in the comics and I used to read all the comics. I was like the x-men dude and I just don't remember him doing that kind of stuff in the earlier comics.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and in that first episode, when they, um, you know, when uh, cyclops is leading the team and then the the blackbird gets attacked and he lands with his blasters slowing him down.
Speaker 2:And then he's just goes with me, my ex man, and you're like oh, man, yeah, listen, I'm gonna tell you what man to see that they actually I mean, cause these are things that people have talked about for the longest, you know and to have, um, not Wolverine Cyclops use his blaster to you know, help him like gland.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude, that was man. That was really fucking cool that was, that was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was like I said I did every character on justice, justice, yep.
Speaker 1:And then, like the next episode, you got magneto. Not only is magneto like leading the team, he's in the opening, yeah, and he's got, and he's dressed in the the x-men, uh, he's with the m, he's got the m on him. Right, nito, right, and no helmet, no helmet hair flowing, you know, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, he's got that silver fox hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does yeah, and storm, they have it with the mohawk.
Speaker 1:Yes, storm's got the mohawk. Yeah, she goes through the whole um, the uh, what's, what's the word? I'm looking for the character arc where she loses her powers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then she, you know she's with forge and that's when you get to see forge a lot in this right right, you know he's got that such cool power.
Speaker 1:He's just like build this and he's like all right I'll build it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I forgot about forge man, I'm not gonna lie forge is yeah, me too yeah that was.
Speaker 1:He was a big character in the 90s was he only in the animated series, or was he just, or he was a character right, no, he was a character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was an x x force was, yeah, x force. Yeah, yeah, okay, he was x force. And then and and uh, morph and they did more fucking.
Speaker 1:What about that? I don't know if you saw that. Oh man, wait till you get up to, because I know you're not far in it. There's one episode where, uh, he turns into the hulk right and he goes morph smash I was no kidding.
Speaker 2:Yes, is he a strong foe? Not ashton, but you know.
Speaker 1:But he's so they didn't do this in the original series. No like, when he turns into those guys, he has their powers right, yeah, he didn't. He wasn't like that back in the day like you're the most super, he's like the most powerful, because then he could be turned into magneto right, right yeah and then magneto. I mean, oh man, what they did in that show magneto is you know what?
Speaker 2:this was pretty groovy because magneto him becoming the quote-unquote good guy right now. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:I was like okay, all right, I can see this could work. You know that's a character arc, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, because something else is going to come down the pipe. Yeah, definitely. You don't mind if I do this. No, I'm good with that. I'm going to watch it anyway.
Speaker 1:The whole thing happens and they're in Genosha and that episode was one of the best episodes. They're in Genosha and they're partying their party and and you know, there's this whole like character arc thing happening with gambit and like this love triangle with gambit, uh, magneto and rogue and right, rogue's kind of like. You know she's like I'm sorry, but I can't feel you and I need to feel someone because she can actually touch right, because magneto can block magneto can block it with his magnetism.
Speaker 1:So she she was like. So like they're at this club and everybody's celebrating how awesome genosha is, and it's like this amazing place and people are just having a good time dancing and you know she like goes to kiss magneto and she goes. It just doesn't feel the same and you know, and all of a sudden, um, and you got the other story, which was, uh, jean gray's um, I forget what her name is, but it was the clone right, the clone.
Speaker 2:Uh, she changed her name. Shit, I forgot what she changed her name to.
Speaker 1:But yeah, go ahead, but you know she um, she's out there and all of a sudden um cable come, shows up and cable's like I'm sorry, mother, she goes. Oh my god, nathan yeah, it's fucking cable yeah and he goes, I couldn't stop it, and he, for some reason, he can't stop it. Something with the timeline yeah whatever's gonna happen happens and there's a major attack on genosha, you got the uh sentinel. Um, what's uh? The mother sentinel, master, mold, yep like eight heads. Yeah, fucking thing is just just killing fucking people see and uh, what's his name, does you know?
Speaker 1:um, well, and then the thing that, uh, magneto, it's like one of the best lines. Magneto's like he goes. We gotta go help he goes. We're not gonna live our live, our days, knowing we could have done more and they go in and then, like gambit, gets attacked by the master, mold and impales him, and he just you. He sacrifices himself. He just charges the entire fucking machine and blows it up with himself, yeah. And that would have had a funeral for him in the next episode.
Speaker 2:It was really fucking good Dude. I can't wait to get caught up and watch it. We've had company at the house. I haven't had a chance to really sit and watch it.
Speaker 1:And you know they go through the whole character arc and like magneto. Then you know, he, he gives up on being an x-man and goes back to his old way. Yeah, and he, um, um, what's his name? I forget what his name is. He's like, he's like a sentinel. His power was like to be control machines. Uh, I forget.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, I gotta, I haven't watched that funny. Bastion, bastion, bastion.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was Bastion, and he's like the major enemy in this working with Mr Sinister.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And what did he say? Oh, they turned humans into sentinels. It's fucking crazy, and the only way to stop them is to have an EMP. And Magneto turns the entire planet into an EMP and shuts down all the electricity. And this is all by episode five. No, that's like by episode seven, okay, okay, storm goes home to a star. She gets her powers back, so like, yeah, the whole thing is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't wait to finish watching such a good job on that show yeah like honestly, like this is gonna they, they.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of talk that this is gonna set precedent for the new, for msu or mcu mcu uh, because, like, it's kind of been going downhill over the years they even take a cheap shot at uh, they go um cyclops in one episode was would you expect us to wear black leather?
Speaker 2:yeah, or something like that. Oh, because cable they get cable uniform and he's yeah he puts on the blue uniform, he goes what is?
Speaker 1:what are? These uniforms, yeah and k and uh cyclops. He's just like would you expect this to wear?
Speaker 2:black leather. That is great. Yeah, it was well. Listen, man. I'm hoping that they pick up, because x-men is probably one of the coolest groups you know, like awesome.
Speaker 1:It was a great comic, you know, and they've just been doing them real dirty and if you want to like, nerd out a little bit that you know talking behind the scenes and stuff.
Speaker 2:The guy who did x-men 97 they fired right and they're talking like you got to rehire this guy back.
Speaker 1:Everybody's trying to get them to them to hire disney, to hire him back because this guy did such a fucking amazing job well, but now we got to put it to live action.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. If they could put that to live action, it'd be great because, like I said, even with with um, like what they did with fantastic four, yeah, you know, like fantastic four, they're freaking amazing too, and they just between x-men and fantastic four years I'm gonna go on a limb and say, like you know what they did with day feloni, how they promoted him right, his stuff was so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and really like put like star wars back on and back on the right track. Yeah, like they need to promote this guy who did x-men 97 and make him in charge of some kind of like high rep position for like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they have to like they have to they. They need to find the people like the real geek geek squad to turn around and do these that know the storylines, Like Kevin Smith. I wish he would turn around and do some of these things and that they let him have the budget to make it happen.
Speaker 1:Oh, Kevin Smith.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, he would be so amazing. He can sit here like we're sitting here and just go through all his stuff, like he had the comic shop and everything. You know what I mean. I'm go through, you know, all his stuff, like he had the comic shop and everything. You know what I mean. I'm like why don't they let him do this kind of stuff? You know I I'm not turned on by what they did with dc for um the batman and whatnot. Yeah it just I couldn't.
Speaker 1:I just I'm like I'm not cool with that, you know at least with the, with the batman, I'm just like, oh, it's an alternate batman universe, yeah, but they're not even explaining how they did that and like that other one that they were supposed to start the Justice League.
Speaker 2:they did that shit all wrong too.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, isn't that what they did with the Flash movie? They were trying to get it to be like try to make it more like Marvel Comics kind of thing, and where there's alternate timelines, Right.
Speaker 2:but the problem is that when they did it to me, it was too far of a jump. Yeah, you know what I mean, because there was no explanation when. So they made. The only thing was say here's flash, he's gonna run so fast, he's gonna be able to do this, and that's gonna explain everything. I know, I know bullshit.
Speaker 1:I know, you know they were trying to simplify it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they, that's what people in hollywood do they just want quick fixes, yeah, but they fucked it up you, and then they can't keep anybody Like you. Know what I'm going to say? It too, cavill was a really good Superman. He was, he was great, he was a fucking awesome Superman.
Speaker 1:And he was like, almost like a clone?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's his name? A Reeve, christopher Reeve, you know Space was so spot on. Yeah, lois and Clark, not Lois and Clark.
Speaker 1:Superman and Lois the Adventures of Superman and Lois. Oh yeah, I forget what his name was Dean.
Speaker 2:Cain no, no, not Dean Cain. The new ones. There's another one. They have the kids and they go back to Smallville and whatnot. He's a good one too, yeah, yeah, but he's not as tall or as buff, I guess, he superman, he's a really good superman, you know, of course and. But you know, cavill is just the man. I think we kind of got used to it because of how he looked yeah, you know he looks like christopher reeves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, he was kind of set.
Speaker 2:That's the face and I was watching tmz the other day and they were saying that, um, they thought that gal gadot was getting, uh, fired. Well, not that she was getting fired, but they weren't going to call her back for another wonder woman. Okay, and they weren't going to call back momoa, and because they got rid of cavill, yeah, so getting rid of cavill, it kind of switched up who's going to be where? Um, because then you know, they, they just messed it all up, man, they yeah, but that's hollywood.
Speaker 1:They fuck shit up all the time. That's why, like they said with x-men 97, they should just follow the precedent for this, because they're the two things I'll say that have in common with dave filoni stuff and with this x-men 97.
Speaker 1:I, I wish I I can't think of the guy's name who was the you know running x-men 97 project, but they did fan service right, and that's what you got to do these days like it's not and it's not in a way where you're selling out, no, like you just get like people want to see, like you know, like you want to see, like you know, like that stuff that they were showing, where they were highlighting some characters that hadn't highlight before right where they were you know, doing combo moves like holy shit, you know, like stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the same thing with like with um uh, star wars.
Speaker 1:You know how they're like. There's so many all different characters and like there's all these mentions of different things and everything kind of ties in and yeah, yeah, but see, remember, does it?
Speaker 2:there's a lot of people that didn't read the books, that didn't read the comics, that didn't know they're just working on these projects like, exactly, fuck, you gotta be a fan they yeah they gotta let these companies be like they.
Speaker 2:They gotta give these projects to people who are fans, because they're gonna give it justice, and the people who are fans they relate to because they are a fucking fan yep, and then when those people go see it, they spread the word right, and then everybody goes and sees it because of what they're saying you know and, and what was it? Uh, like you're saying way back to star wars. Every time we turn around and start a new star wars line, a new arc and something like the acolytes, I can't wait soon.
Speaker 1:I can't wait next week you know, I can't wait to watch it right this weekend. The third or the sixth? Is that the sixth?
Speaker 2:I think it's the sixth and um, but like with that, you know to see. So, because it's, what is that 100 years before?
Speaker 1:100 years before. Not Phantom Menace, Episode one? Yeah, Phantom Menace Right. So then now?
Speaker 2:that coming out to watch and see how they fight, how they do, like that's old school Jedi Like what, and they were just shit and also seeing the old school Sith, because people always forget the world.
Speaker 1:that everybody knows in Star Wars is that Sith. You know the Sith were sneaky Yep and they tricked the Jedi, but the Sith were never like that. The Sith were always. They would never the old Sith like they always. I was watching a whole video explaining like how like Darth Sidious was the smartest Sith ever. Because the old Sith would just think like the Jedi are beneath them and and just like not undermine them and try to pull a sneak attack and take them down.
Speaker 2:They would just fight them off, right, fuck you.
Speaker 1:Jedi, you're beneath them. Just fight them off Like they wouldn't do these planned attacks and then, like Darth Sidious, knew that they were strong and had to take them all out, right, you know all at once.
Speaker 2:Okay, right you?
Speaker 1:know all at once. Okay, like knowing you know, to not underestimate them yeah, well listen, I'm gonna tell you what so the sith and this, like they, the sith and the jedi coexist at this time. That's what I was gonna say at that this is supposed to be when they make the call right to wipe the sith out.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, and that's why it's gonna be an amazing run, right, you know? Because now you have all the visual effects that are gonna do it justice, you gotta.
Speaker 1:Uh, he's not. He's probably not gonna be much younger. He's only 300 years old, he's only. He's only 700 years old or something, he's not 900 or 800, yeah he's not a youngling anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and that's what's gonna be cool, because he's. He doesn't even have the smooth talk like he or speech that he has yeah, do you see that?
Speaker 1:you see him talking in the trailer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's talking a little faster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yes yes yes, still talking backwards, yeah, backwards, but just a little bit quicker and more.
Speaker 1:You know what's funny If you watch the prequels he doesn't in the prequels. In the original film he always talks backwards In the prequels. In the in the original trilogy he always talks backwards in the prequels. You catch him saying a couple of phrases forwards, right.
Speaker 2:But I think that's because they made, because he was so old that they were able to, you know fix it in the newer ones. Well, the prequels. You know what I mean. So, yeah, he's going to be the shit too, man, Because you think about it. In what? Episode three, when he was fighting in the in the in. When he was fighting in the, what?
Speaker 1:you call it in the council, when they were in the government hall and he was just bouncing in the senate chambers and he's bouncing all over everything and just like and he had all that spry then right, yes, that's why he's gonna be fucking sick man, and that's taking place in the high republic?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's why it's gonna be so freaking great. I cannot, cannot wait this weekend. You know, bro, right now, this summer is going to be uh, it's going to be crazy, you know, between, mostly because of the uh, the animated series you know what I mean like all those things coming in and playing out, you know new series that they're going to have continuations. The star wars has a handful of of animated series coming out now too, so there's gonna be a lot of fillers. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:There's gonna be a lot of really cool stuff happening, you know you know what's coming out soon, not coming out there, and it's in pre-production. I think is, or uh, they're doing another matrix so now it's we talked about that. I think last did they, or no?
Speaker 2:but we, I think we just kind of like touched on it. No, we didn't do anything, but I thought that it was um, uh, it wasn't going to. Is it a future one? I don't remember. I saw. I do only call like a piece of it.
Speaker 1:They don't. They haven't released any details about it, but, um, the which a lot, a lot of wachowski is not or is not going to be directing it, uh, she's going to be only an executive producer, but not very involved yeah, someone else is going to be direct, because the wachowski brothers yeah that were doing it right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They say the wachowski, wachowski.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry the trans yeah, sorry, sorry, yeah, um, wow, so that's gonna be really like different then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I wonder who they're gonna bring in, because it can't be keanu, and not that it can't be keanu reeves, but you know what I mean. I want to know if Keanu was going to be the new Oracle. That would be insane, because now you know he knows Well they both have the powers.
Speaker 1:Now, right, they both now have the. They're both the one. Yeah, Because somehow the Trinity, remember she got the powers.
Speaker 2:Like remember she like was holding him, yeah, he didn't even have it yet he eventually he got it him.
Speaker 1:He didn't even have it yet. He eventually got it back. He gets it back right, but they both have it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because she went back, so when she kind of remembers everything and they showed all the shit that they did to them in the last one, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. So it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be woo yeah.
Speaker 1:It's going to. They don't call themselves the machines, they call themselves synths. Yes, they live in the city. They cohabitate in a different. It was called IO or something like that they were called Zion. The new one was called IO, though.
Speaker 2:Oh IO, they're not even in that. Oh, that's right. Yeah, because they got. Yes.
Speaker 1:And it had all this. There was clouds and stuff in it Right. Simulated light and stuff and it simulated light and they had plants growing and shit Growing crops inside.
Speaker 2:Yeah, growing people? Yeah, they're growing people. That's right. I almost forgot about that.
Speaker 1:It's on Netflix now. That's why I watched it again.
Speaker 2:Just recently. That's all of them in the theater. I only watched the first Matrix on TV and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:That was my first DVD. When DVDs came out, what?
Speaker 2:That was the shit.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, that was like the best DVD to have because they had so many like all these, like that was the. That was the awesome thing about DVDs. You know now you don't get that with streaming you know you know we used to get did this and I don't think they had the wachowskis, they were talking about the movie, right, they had one, and then they had a separate track where it's the actors talking about the movie yeah, yeah and all this bonus footage. It was so cool yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, now they had. Well, I haven't. I've never looked. I'm I'll be lying if I said I did. I've never gone into when they said bonus stuff on the um, no, no, no, no on the streaming.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, it was when you go and pick it up, yeah like bonus and like trailers and you know um interviews, the documentary stuff and whatnot.
Speaker 2:I'm like I never watch it, I just like next, you know, watch the next movie or whatever. But yeah, I can't wait. Man, do you? Are you into um halo? Have you watched halo? No, I haven't I like it, so my son used to play the game, right, I think I had one of them, I think like it was.
Speaker 2:I had the one for like xbox one right, see, so my son used to play jason used to play all the time and, um, he was like super into it or whatever. But then, well, I don't say he was, he was into it, he was really good. And then when he heard that the game was coming out, he's like come on, bro, you gotta watch. Like no, I'm not interested is it a series?
Speaker 1:yeah, was it on amazon?
Speaker 2:amazon. Yes, yeah, so me I mean. I said I like it, I'm digging it, you know, but I'm also watching it without playing the game like that you know the game. I played a little bit of whatever and now, so it's not the season two and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So many times, like a lot of times, like the movie adaptation of like games, never fucking pan out Well, but see, but I don't know, man, I mean, they did a good job with the new Mario brothers, but do you remember the fucking old Mario brothers?
Speaker 2:old mario brothers, no, no no, no, yeah, no, that was that movie.
Speaker 1:I don't yeah that movie was there was a whole discussion in one of the groups I live on too but people are like I actually like that movie, but like, but the thing is is like they just had the names, and the only person that looked like anybody closely was mario right, because he was like a fat italian guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, john, like was I'm gonna look like fucking luigi't.
Speaker 1:He didn't have no, fucking tall guy with a mustache.
Speaker 2:You know, bowser, what the fuck was that guy? Oh dude, yeah, that wasn't even.
Speaker 1:A Koopa yeah, what the fuck they had a or Koopa, a big, giant body With a small head, like what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that first one yeah.
Speaker 1:And fungus growing all over the place.
Speaker 2:Ha ha, let's just do this and it's like whatever. And then now with this new one. Do you know, have you seen the new one?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, is it good, super mario brothers, yeah with uh, with chris pratt.
Speaker 2:I haven't watched it yet. It's fucking great, right.
Speaker 1:I don't know who did the voices, but it was so fucking yeah and jack black played bowser right, right, right.
Speaker 2:So you say, you know who the voices were just guys oh, I didn't know what you were. I'm trying.
Speaker 1:I think you're talking about something else from them, from yeah, but like, but, like that old mario brothers movie. It was so fucking bad that nintendo wouldn't give the rights anybody to make any movies from that point on, until they redid the new one that was animated no kidding yeah, and they I think they like had a lot of oversee on it, like you know what I mean to make sure that they didn't fuck it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or they might people. Might have been one of the executive producers, might have been someone from nintendo or got it, got it yeah but like yeah, they wouldn't let anybody make any fucking thing with that is great.
Speaker 2:Well, they had to. But except for the tv show well, okay, yeah, that doesn't well, yeah, that counts, I guess, but you know it. I think that's why, like we said before, you know, they have to have the people that are the game, that are the comic, that are the animated series to do these things, because you know it does, it fucking sucks. Howard the Duck in comic books, howard the Duck was a little badass, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh really, yeah, I never read the comic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, howard the Duck he was. It was good, it was a good comic to watch it Howard the Duck he was good. It was a good comic to watch. It wasn't campy. No, it wasn't like what they had him look like Howard the Duck Right. Yeah, he was more a little bit like when they had him in Guardians of the Galaxy, like they started to introduce him you know what I mean. Like he was more that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And Cosmic, the dog the telepathic dog in Guardians of the Galaxy, yeah, yeah, yeah. So even with him, you know, doing like guest stuff on the comic books and such, even he was a badass, you know what I mean, and he came and he saved a lot of people and to bring that back, that's what I'm saying. If MCU really goes out and they start picking some of these things they gotta find people who are fans like directors who are fans.
Speaker 2:Right Producers who are fans, right producers who are actually fans of the work. But some of those people are my age and older because, think about it, you know what I mean you got people, but that's what I'm saying like, because typically producers aren't young guys right so you got people who actually are fans who watch this shit.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, who?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean yeah, but it's been so long. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That's like they know, like even with conan conan, I have the graphic novels of conan right right right, black and white and the you know red sonia when he meets her, and all that other good shit. So that then it's like if they were arnold schwarzenegger, they're pretty good, yeah, you know what I mean and it was awesome. But then they had that other guy that came and did it real quick and that was closer to the comic book. Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know, that was there for like two seconds. It was like gone. I can't even find it anywhere, you know. And then you know you, I, it just bothers the hell out of me when they don't like Lewis. He gets mad at me. He's like you just gotta watch the movie. I'm like it's not the same. This is bullshit.
Speaker 2:You know, like you gotta, you know even with now, nobody, like people who are readers, like the book was better, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the comic was better, you know, I mean the anime, the series was better. So you know, I get it I make fun of, but you know, but, um, madame webb, people just shit on madame, I like that, I liked it. People that were there like it sucked, uh, what's her name that did that was madame webb. She was, you know. She said that she wasn't gonna do another one and I'm like, but if all it's all going to tie together, and especially now because Miles Morales is that other doing the multiverse thing, the spiderverse, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now that's going to come into play with Madame Webb, because they showed her real quick in the Miles Morales one. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, listen, if dc, dc, if marvel, mcu does what they're supposed to do with all this, it's gonna be a whole new world bro but you know what the thing is, people like to shit on stuff.
Speaker 1:I just do, yeah, like I'm gonna, I'm gonna say, you know, I'm gonna say, and I I lose. I think I losing it because is you know what the sequels? They weren't for star wars. I'm talking about star wars now right the sequels. They weren't bad movies, I didn't like the direction that they chose right, but they were still good movies, right. Yes, they were entertaining, they were good. I I hated the, the direction they went with it and like bringing palpatine back and right. Yeah, you know, somehow palpatine has returned. It's like what?
Speaker 2:the fuck, yeah, how the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 1:right like and now I know dave filoni's trying to do a lot of cleanup work and like that part with like the mandalorian right, explain the clones and stuff like that, like they're trying to do some he's doing, some they're doing, trying to do clean it clean yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But even those, the animated Bad Batch, that shit was fucking amazing. They just had the last episode. I almost cried, bro, Like I was tearing up. I was like why. You know that was the shit man. The clones is off the hook.
Speaker 1:And that's the characters from that that continue on Right, you know from you.
Speaker 2:Know Right. Continue on to the live action. Exactly, continue on, right you know from you know right, because to the live action.
Speaker 1:Exactly what's her name in live action? Who is that or no? No, no, no different. Sorry, I'm getting confused from from bad batch.
Speaker 2:No, oh, but I don't know because, like I said, they could. They could um, um, omega, omega. They couldn't. They could put her to live action or just have a whole series with her alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean, but I've never read the Ahsoka Ahsoka.
Speaker 2:I fucking love that shit.
Speaker 1:And they're going to do a Thorn movie.
Speaker 2:I think that's right. Is it going to be a movie or a series?
Speaker 1:I heard it was going to be a movie Really, but I don't know if it's going to be a series. Ah see, I heard series.
Speaker 1:A series, because then you could do more with it you know what I mean I think I I think they need to start stop just stray away from fucking movies. Like maybe make a movie once in a while, but like you don't need to do a trilogy every time. Like make make a movie here and there, but you get so much more out of a fucking series I know movies, bigger budget and they kind of allow more. But why not give a series?
Speaker 2:no, I think you're right, I'm with you with the series, especially now. You know what I mean. Only because the think of the. Well, so the streaming services, they have done awesome, amazing work with a lot of the stories that they've actually been producing. You know the movies, the tv shows and everything they've been putting out, so that then if they did more series, it would be fantastic. You know, because now, with the last star wars that came out, yeah, with um uh, well, half this cast who's gone is gone. You know, I mean they can't do anything with. So solo's gone, han solo's gone. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Um uh, princess leia is gone, yeah, oh luke is like you know they're still trying to freaking talk to him.
Speaker 2:But they're going to fucking. You know what the fuck is he going to do. You know he's not coming back from Ghost.
Speaker 1:You know what they should do. They should allow. I don't know if he signed, because James Earl Jones did it. He actually signed, you know the last couple of things that had Darth Vader in them. James Earl Jones signed the rights. They gave him a nice check and he signed the rights to use his voice forever as Darth Vader. Oh, so now, forever Disney has the rights to use his voice as Darth Vader.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:You know through AI and shit, right, so just do that. Maybe do that with what's his name and they could probably still do it with, uh, you know, maybe what's her name's family, um play carrie, fish carrie fisher family could sound the rights, because they could just use her voice.
Speaker 1:It's better if you have someone there who can record it, but you know they might not even, because then they can do more stuff with luke skywalker character, right? Um, maybe they can have, uh, or they can have, that character, um, the guy who looks like him I forget what his name is that they were talking about using. They were. There was a certain actor they were talking about using for him right, but see, the problem is that we're still.
Speaker 2:So you and I just did what we were just complaining about, like it's, where do we go from here? Yeah, you know what I mean, because we're still stuck on the old guys. You know who's new. So now you had the last um the, the last jedi yeah who's gonna teach? Because?
Speaker 1:there's nobody else around, force goes Luke. But that's what I'm saying, and Force goes Qui-Gon and Force goes Diotis. She's got the whole team. That's what I'm saying, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that to me, that's.
Speaker 1:They're holding too much onto the past. Exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You have to let go.
Speaker 1:Or just she can explain that those guys helped her out. You know like, oh, my the, you know the, the. The old jedi taught me my ways. And now I'm like, if she can, you know like advance it 10 years. Well, they don't even have to anymore, right? And you know, uh, they've taught me. You know the, the master, and everything and right I've learned all my lessons and you know they.
Speaker 2:I don't really see them anymore right, you know, she can explain that and that can kind of like put it right, because that's what they did with Ahsoka. They had Ahsoka, get you know, become a master when she went back and forth Anakin.
Speaker 1:And then that's the thing too, is is Ahsoka like still alive?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, so I'm not going to make believe, like I don't, like I know this one. I'm not sure because I don't even know if, like, how far into the future it is. Like that.
Speaker 1:You know, know, if she's now the master that's in the middle I don't know how her species ages exactly, doesn't? Look that old, but she's, if you think about it. She was alive in the pre. She was alive in the clone wars. How far it she is in the ahsoka series from how long ago was the fucking clone wars?
Speaker 2:well, because, yeah, because she was anakin's because, uh, what's his name?
Speaker 1:uh, sorry, I'm gonna close it like the mic. Darth Vader, right, he was Darth Vader for about 20 years. They say like 22 years.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So that puts him in his 40s by Return of the Jedi, when he dies, right, but they made him look so much older man and the Clone Wars. So Ahsoka by Return of the Jedi. Ahsoka is 22 years older. She was a teenager at the end of the Clone Wars.
Speaker 2:So at least 22 years old, she was probably like 16.
Speaker 1:She was a kid in the Clone Wars. She was really young, she was probably about 16. So you put her at now. So 22 years later, that's so that 18. So she's 30, 38.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's in her mid-30s.
Speaker 1:She'd be like mid-30s, yeah, mid to early 30s, so, and then it's further, a lot further in the future, because the empire fallen by the right ahsoka, mind, lorian ahsoka is out there. I think you might say like maybe right.
Speaker 2:So let's just say years later, what does she say? Push it then, so that then, if nothing else, she's in her 50s by ahsoka.
Speaker 1:So right, by ahsoka, she should be in her 50s so by the time the sequels are out, she's kind of an old woman right, but then now she can be like old ahsoka, you know right, but does her species age slower?
Speaker 2:that's all I'm gonna say. If she, if she ages slower, you know how's it gonna look different. Yeah, right, listen, I think ahsoka is fucking awesome, love it.
Speaker 1:Uh, that was freaking a great you know why her lightsabers are white? Oh, oh, I forgot, I forgot, fucking. I love it. It's a uh, you know how they have to bleed the crystal for this, right? It's a purified. It's a purified, bled crystal. Bled, uh, kyber crystal.
Speaker 2:That's right, and she's purified, it turns white again yeah, but it doesn't have color anymore, but it's no longer uh like angered or black right, yeah, she's listen, man, you know, I would love to see Windu come back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'd love to see that too Dude. Because there's always the possibility, because you just see him, you know they threw him, but like Jedi can jump far.
Speaker 2:They can slide forward. You can use the force to slow his fall down. Right exactly.
Speaker 1:You know, if he, just, if he like, right before he falls and stops himself.
Speaker 2:Well, he was falling through traffic also, so he could just be like you know what I mean, and just like you know, but for him. So now wasn't he borderline um sith and jedi? Wasn't that what the no, he managed to. Uh, he took a well, I should say dark side.
Speaker 1:There was a lightsaber form that was specifically for sith to use and he somehow transferred it to jedi where they still kind of use. He can kind of use a little bit of his anger without going to the dark side. It's just on the brink of it, which is a vape pad.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah. It would be great if he fucking just came and said no, you didn't motherfucker, yeah, motherfucker that, but they won't do that on, not Disney.
Speaker 1:Plus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that wouldn't be. Well, I don't know, because Disney Plus, they're getting a little more.
Speaker 1:You know it's crazy. A fan made video took from the Mandalorian. You know, in the scene, the Mandalorian, when Luke Skywalker comes in, he kills all the fucking Dark troopers. Right, and they changed it and they made it a purple lightsaber and all you hear is motherfucker, I told you motherfucker it was all his fucking audio from all these different movies.
Speaker 2:That is great yeah oh man, that is hilarious bro. Yeah, listen, that's going to the old school guys so doing like, um well, them doing the acolytes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where they can start all over again yeah, and it'd be cool if they even did an old republic like knights of the old right. I didn't play that game, but I've seen a lot of the the cut scenes and clips fucking good game that's what I'm saying darth, uh darth um malgus he's
Speaker 1:got like this, like he's. He looks like darth vader. If darth vader didn't have the helmet on, just a breather too, okay, he has, like this breather tube on his face. For whatever reason, I don't know what if he had some damage right? And then they got another guy named darth I. I forgot what his name is, but his jaw got ripped off, but he got taken off by a lightsaber. Oh no kidding and he's got a fucking mechanical jaw.
Speaker 2:Really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You see, that's what I'm saying man During the Knights of the Old Republic. Right, these are old characters, but Darth Vader Bane might be in this one.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, I think he might be Again. They can start over, because they went back 100 years.
Speaker 1:And they showed him in the Clone Wars series. They showed Darth Bane, but he was as a Sith specter, which is different than a Force ghost, because they can only exist in the Sith temple, like a Force ghost, that's right A Sith ghost in the Sith temple, not like a forced ghost Right it's like the witches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and that's what I'm saying, bro, to do all that.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing with the Ahsoka series, because they dip into the expanded universe.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:None of the movies really do that much. You'll see like characters like the same species that um, not ahsoka, um, the harrah is, I forget what they're called. Yeah, the twilight, right. Yeah, you'll see those like like that. They were in, um, yeah, job of the huts. Uh, she was like she was. Oh, yeah, yeah slave or some right they had them, but like they don't really explain a lot, but like when you watch the cold wars it goes so into the expanded universe and a lot of people don't want to watch it because it's a kid's series.
Speaker 1:So they started putting the Expanded Universe stuff into the series and I fucking love that and that's why and I'm so glad my friend Steven he's like dude you gotta watch the Clone Wars Right, because it's gonna explain the whole Star Wars.
Speaker 2:Expanded Universe. Yeah, it's true, and I would tell you, what sucks for me is that I watched them when they first came out a handful of years ago. Oh, yeah, so like now, when I go back, yeah, so Disney Plus, they do it in a chronological order. Yeah, yeah, yeah, instead of then I'm watching. I'm like I saw that already, I saw this and back in between, yeah, yeah, plus, you're rusty too, like you're.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good for a re-watch. Yeah, but yeah, it's, I fucking love. But I love how, like, like I said, they showed there's gonna show some of these characters and stuff in the, in the series and like, like in ahsoka, like they're, they're showing all these other different characters.
Speaker 2:It's great, yeah, all the other. So they're showing the other um storm, uh, stormtroopers. Yeah, that were different colors. The witches.
Speaker 1:That's what I love about Star Wars, Because if you think Star Wars is a sci-fi version of medieval Right.
Speaker 2:You know people with swords? Yes, kind of like samurai, right you?
Speaker 1:got witches. Holy fucking shit there's witches, and they cast spells.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And they never really dove into the Sith stuff too. Right, they never really dove into, like the sith stuff too, like right in the clone wars they show um, they show darcidious and um, what's his name? Uh, the one from uh lord of the rings that played. Uh, what's his name? He? His technically name is darth tyrannus, but what was his name? Um the one that that that anakin cut his head off?
Speaker 2:oh yeah shit, yeah, I can't think of go ahead, oh my god, yeah, yeah, we'll get it later.
Speaker 1:He's he was a great actor right, he was way older, but um, they were doing like sith alchemy, like on the fucking right, yes, exactly and they actually explained it. You see, that's what would be cool that they have their voices. They can kind of do some stuff maybe not do movies, but do serious stuff to kind of fill some of these gaps.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and um vader um, because like of his mechanical suit and he was like never interested in sith stuff, um darth, sidious or palpatine, whatever you want to call him kind of gave up on like teaching him sith stuff and he never can, he never like tried to learn any of the sith alchemy stuff, because a lot of the sith practice like alchemy and like witchcraft, right, and one of and and darth sidious, or you know, palpatine, his, one of his biggest rivals was mud the mother witch, right, exactly, exactly, that was a big deal and someone got her weapon. Who was that? I forget that, what that was it was like a big deal.
Speaker 2:They had her weapon. Yeah, because they had, she had to go back and get it back. It was, oh shit, the other chick that was.
Speaker 1:Was it in Ahsoka?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no no, no, no, no, no no, it was in Obi-Wan.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, bro To bring all those characters. It's a whole new up to episode one. Yeah, you know what I mean. And the story would just continue. Oh man, it's freaking great.
Speaker 1:I, I really, really, really hope they do it but I I really hope they do a lot of these gap fillers and some of these stories that they have from the books, like like the story when, uh, you know, because as a sith, you the it's like badass. Right, because they changed the story, because originally it was like oh, that their crystals were like uh right, like, like, like, uh, like synthetic crystals. But when disney plus came and they changed the story around, they actually made it more bad exactly you have to kill a jedi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're a sith, you have to kill a jedi and you have to bleed their crystal by putting all your anger and yeah until the crystal flashes over and turns red or whatever, and that's what it bleeds. And now your fucking lightsaber is red like that's badass, that is super badass bro but why is they never? Do they ever explain why kylo ren's lightsaber is like a flame? Like it, like it, like it doesn't.
Speaker 2:Um yeah it's not like a clean? Uh, it's not clean, like like they didn't they didn't, but there was supposed to be another flick. I think that's what the next one yeah, it's not like a clean. It's not clean like Darth Vader's. They didn't, but there was supposed to be another flick. I think that's where the next one is, because he's going to end up being with Rey.
Speaker 1:Oh, is he still alive? I thought he died.
Speaker 2:Bro, again, it's one of those things you know that they'll probably end up. They could, but again, if they do it in a movie, it's gonna suck doggy nuts. If they put it in a show, exactly then it's gonna be fucking great explaining exactly and they have time to redeem the story.
Speaker 1:There's too much short time that's again if, if that was a series, they could maybe bring palpatine back, because they would explain shit better and just know somehow he's fucking back right.
Speaker 2:But if they do it, they'll just go straight to the point and yeah, do that, yeah so, but with that, bro, our time we could talk for hours.
Speaker 1:I know we do and we do. Man, we fucking do this shit all the time. Sometimes, after the show we're talking about, we're still geeking out. We're talking about all this stuff we're watching. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:That is freaking great. So again, appreciate everybody for listening, because Tom and I we enjoy the hell out of this Hell. Yeah, lewis likes it too, but he doesn't do it. He's like what are you guys doing? Just watch the fucking movie.
Speaker 1:Ha ha ha, he's going to yell at us no, yeah, yeah, come on, guys, I couldn't even fucking defend myself. Exactly, you're talking shit about me.
Speaker 2:Yep, we weren't talking shit, he's more. You know, he just like it's all right, just watch the movie. And we're like, no, it has to follow the order, it has to be like this. This is why. This is why because, like, we're the guys that watch these movies, bro, and we're like, no, it can't be that, it can't be like this, it's got to be like that you know what?
Speaker 1:that's the thing I think they're discovering on x-men 97 before we go. I'll just say yep, like I think that they're discovering that like there's a whole market of people who like still are into the childhood shit, right there's of grown-ass men who are? In their 40s and 50s yeah want to see their childhood stuff return and still like it.
Speaker 2:But they've also tweaked it where the younger kids are going to be down for it. Yeah, you know. So like now the younger guys yeah, because they're watching it together. Right chase is X-Men 97, he fucking loved X-Men 97, he watched the whole entire thing with me.
Speaker 1:I watched it myself, and then he started watching it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, my son Andrew, he'll watch some of it. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, I saw that. It's okay, jason. He's like dude. I'm like, yeah, man, I know I love you.
Speaker 1:This is great. I know I know it's gonna great. And they're making X-Men 97 toys.
Speaker 2:I know I know it's gonna be insane bro, yeah alright, so to the next episode love, peace and hair grease live long and prosper and go vegan holla.