Could your next bite of food rewrite agricultural history or even redefine veganism? Join me, Tom Ramage – the Jersey Guy – alongside Keny Cottman and Louis Crawford as we unearth the multi-layered world of GMOs. Our spirited exchange traverses through the terrain of science and skepticism, where the marriage of fish DNA with strawberries and the potential of heart-healthy cooking oils sourced from algae are not figments of sci-fi but topics on our table. We're not just scratching the surface; we're peeling back layers of the GMO onion, revealing how these biological innovations could flavor the future of our food.
As stewards of this Earth, we're conscious of every footstep we take – and so is our discussion. We probe the environmental ripples cast by GMOs, contemplating if luminous trees might one day cast a gentle glow on our city streets. Yet, amidst the awe of the possible, we don't shy away from the hard-hitting questions: Are we meddling too much in nature's playbook? The debate gets juicier as we consider the impact of these organisms on ecosystems, wildlife, and even our own bodies. Our chat is a balancing act, recognizing the careful dance between progress and preservation.
And what of the regulators and the regulated? We chew over the alphabet soup of FDA, EPA, and USDA, digesting their roles in the GMO feast. From the kitchen to the global stage, we reflect on how GMOs might nourish the hungry and cure the ill, all while not losing the personal touch – yes, we even talk air fryers and homemade fries. Our conversation is a recipe for thought, simmering with the hopes, concerns, and curiosities about the GMO ingredients being added to our collective pot. Bon appétit!
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Could your next bite of food rewrite agricultural history or even redefine veganism? Join me, Tom Ramage – the Jersey Guy – alongside Keny Cottman and Louis Crawford as we unearth the multi-layered world of GMOs. Our spirited exchange traverses through the terrain of science and skepticism, where the marriage of fish DNA with strawberries and the potential of heart-healthy cooking oils sourced from algae are not figments of sci-fi but topics on our table. We're not just scratching the surface; we're peeling back layers of the GMO onion, revealing how these biological innovations could flavor the future of our food.
As stewards of this Earth, we're conscious of every footstep we take – and so is our discussion. We probe the environmental ripples cast by GMOs, contemplating if luminous trees might one day cast a gentle glow on our city streets. Yet, amidst the awe of the possible, we don't shy away from the hard-hitting questions: Are we meddling too much in nature's playbook? The debate gets juicier as we consider the impact of these organisms on ecosystems, wildlife, and even our own bodies. Our chat is a balancing act, recognizing the careful dance between progress and preservation.
And what of the regulators and the regulated? We chew over the alphabet soup of FDA, EPA, and USDA, digesting their roles in the GMO feast. From the kitchen to the global stage, we reflect on how GMOs might nourish the hungry and cure the ill, all while not losing the personal touch – yes, we even talk air fryers and homemade fries. Our conversation is a recipe for thought, simmering with the hopes, concerns, and curiosities about the GMO ingredients being added to our collective pot. Bon appétit!
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, Kenny Cotman Lewis.
Speaker 1:Crawford, and I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:Yo, what's up, my peoples, how's everybody doing? What's going on? Not much. What's going on, guys. All right, you guys. Good, it's good, everything's great, man, what's?
Speaker 3:going on, much. What's going on, guys? All right, you guys good it's good, everything's great. Man, yeah, nice, yeah, yeah, this is good, got a good podcast. We're going to talk about GMOs, my friend. You all know what that's about.
Speaker 2:Right, unraveling the good and the bad Modified organism. Exactly, you're going to catch that one, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the complexities surrounding genetically modified organisms. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So now forgive us because everybody watching you know we'll be up and down looking through our phones to get notes and stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, I got to have to resource something. Yeah, I have a fancy thing right now, yeah, so I can read off up here.
Speaker 2:He's fancy. Yeah, he's fancy. Yeah, we'll try a teleprompter. Yeah, no, teleprompters, not yet. We're not that rich yet Signing the budget. No, you know what? No, we don't want a teleprompter, you're never right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to memorize this shit.
Speaker 2:So what we're talking about today, can you imagine Today?
Speaker 3:is this is the no Right. That would be crazy. Good about it and bad about it. Scientists say one thing, then you have studies that say it differently, things like that. So, like anything else, it's always good and positive.
Speaker 2:So we'll see what's going on. All right, so go ahead. So what is it? So we know it's genetically modified organisms, right, and plants, food and what else.
Speaker 3:Let's start with the okay. One of the most significant advantages of GMOs lies in agriculture. These modified crops can be engineered to withstand harsh element conditions such as drought, extreme temperatures, ensuring greatest resilience and higher yields. Additionally, gmos can reduce the need for chemical pesticides and contamination of potentially lower production cause for farmers okay, right right, so that's a positive thing about it, right, you know? So, um, it should, but others say different, like they'll. They'll say that, but this is the other problems you can run into so we'll get to that all right.
Speaker 2:So now, what do you know about gmos? Now, if you read a vegan does it, is it different?
Speaker 1:different for you. Well, actually it's funny that you say that. And this is where it gets really fucking weird with gmos is that? Um, they have in certain crops. I read that they've gmo'd like animal dna into it, into the plant. Yeah, I, I, I gotta look. It could be bogus.
Speaker 3:So do your research and see yeah, don't check if, if, I'm full of shit you know or?
Speaker 1:I'm just miss, you know, but I read somewhere that they were able to. They did that for whatever reasons, because it, you know, uh, they had some kind of properties, but but, plants and animals are different, yeah so it's different, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, different kingdom. You know what I mean. But now here's my question. So now the GMOs how does it affect you? For vegans, I don't think it. No, it's probably.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any difference. But the thing that I always say about GMOs and I don't know if we're going to get into this topic yet, but it's like the bad Everybody always talks about the bad, everybody thinks no GMOs, no GMOs. The thing with GMOs is what the GMO is used for, right, the one that people always talk about is glyphosate. Glyphosate is what they spray the wheat with. When they grow wheat for flour, bread, all this stuff. They spray it with glyphosate, to which isa herbicide, right. But the GMO makes it resistant to the herbicide, so it doesn't die from the glyphosate, but it's in the, so now it's part of the plant. Basically, they spray the whole plant with it and right, you know what I mean I forget.
Speaker 1:So you're getting that, you're consuming that right, right, right, which can be an issue, right, right, of course you know I mean, I don't have the full information, but I from what my understanding is, that's why they spray it to kill the rest of the plants or whatever you know, so check it out it's resistant, so that's the problem
Speaker 1:like I don't know why they couldn't do a gmo. That would make it resistant, but it might make it like um, not the same flavor of what you're reading, because a lot of times I think when they make something resistant like, they'll like add something to it from another plant, like a pine or something. I'm not saying pine, I'm just, I'm just pulling something right, I get it. I get what you're saying, but like it'll make which will detract, you know, unattract uh insects from right for trying to eat the crops, right?
Speaker 3:so it's coming out of the plant, but you might actually stay away from it but you might take away from the flavor, because now it might taste like apple, that you have an apple that tastes like fucking pine, you know Right. And is that even good for you in the first place? Who would want? But I get what you're saying right To me.
Speaker 1:The cool side, though, that they could do is they could make like this amazing fruit that combines flavors from other fruit.
Speaker 2:How awesome would that be. Now, that's what I see it's like.
Speaker 1:Frankenstein fruit that's got like a watermelon that tastes like grapes. Right or like an apple that tastes like cherries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm going to come back to that.
Speaker 2:So I got to come back to that. Go ahead so.
Speaker 3:I was going to say so. Gmos have potential to address global food security challenges. By enhancing the nutritional content of crops, increasing their resistance to pests and diseases, GMOs have the capacity to improve the quality and quantity of food available, especially in regions prone to food scarcity.
Speaker 2:Right so, so you literally. So it's just basically.
Speaker 3:So those I'm reading the good things, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2:But it's just changing the, I guess evolving, not changing, just evolving.
Speaker 3:Right. So in other words, it's we're able to go ahead and make right. We can make food and we have the capability to do that, so that's good. So now then.
Speaker 2:So then now, if you can splice, like when you grow a plant, like you were just saying, tom, that then you can make a cherry strawberry, you know what I'm saying? Then that would be the same difference. No, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I don't know if necessarily just because they splice things together. I think it's just a matter of fact how they go about it to this is a positive thing.
Speaker 2:On how it can do right.
Speaker 3:So. Moreover, lingering uncertain surroundings the long-term effects of gmos consumption of human health, why regulatory agencies assert the gmos on the market are safe for consumption. Some studies suggest potential risks, such as allergic reactions or the transfer of antibiotic resistant genes. These concerns underscore the importance ongoing research and transport communications regarding the safety of gmos.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm sorry that was a lot, but no, no, no, right but that basically was hitting everything we were just talking about, you're gonna say, no, I didn't say so then for me. So now we know that they can do the gmos and um set up gmos for and in living creatures so they could do it in pigs and mosquitoes and stuff like that to make the offspring weaker. Things like that for the mosquitoes, not the pigs for the mosquitoes.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's it. So they put the GMOs mosquito design birth week offspring. So these are all to me. So, from what I'm reading and this is just a quick little Google- search.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I remember some about mosquitoes that they were trying to do.
Speaker 2:Right. So then this way, the mosquitoes aren't, you know, not as deadly, you know not as much.
Speaker 3:Or making it where they help the actual Right you know what I'm saying, so then that's in everything.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. So then the GMOs are, for they can do it in everything you know. They can do it in our crops, like you were saying earlier. You could do it in fruit and stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, here's one thing they do it. They definitely do it with marijuana. As far as crossbreeding and all, that stuff Right, Exactly.
Speaker 2:So then I mean, that's like that's a weed. Yeah, duh, I yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:yeah, I'm saying I was trying to be funny, I was just saying like that, it makes it just hit me when you said it. Then now, when does it draw the line? You know, I'm saying for you, for them, for scientists well, they say you're defying, you're going against nature. So you know, uh, maybe there's something that could you know. You can maybe create an allergy you know what I mean, or?
Speaker 1:something crazy, you know. I mean, there's always the unknown right, like we're doing this a lot, a lot Like how far are we going to go into it? We're going to start GMOing People, are going to start GMOing animals, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, but don't Franken-animal Exactly.
Speaker 1:Imagine that, but that's what they were doing.
Speaker 2:they're not even doing it already, but remember when they would turn it, when they were cloning, they were, they were cloning the uh animals. Oh, that's right, they had done a sheep and they were, you know, like no, no, you can't do that like that.
Speaker 1:So that you know, it was really bizarre. Did you ever? Do you ever watch upload? Did you ever see? Yeah, I love upload yeah, you remember the cow that had the vr set the cow had like a thousand fucking others or some shit like that.
Speaker 2:They're like so and they had the cow at a vr set.
Speaker 1:This, this frankenstein cow yeah, that was like the length of the fucking barn, yeah, and like, but the cow was wearing like a headset and they're like don't worry, he's, he's, uh, he's, he's, um, he thinks he's on a grassy field yeah, right, yeah, yeah doesn't even know all this is going on.
Speaker 2:Scary shit, exactly, and that's what we're saying. Yeah, even as a vegan, like that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Again, I'm I'm more for you know ending exploitation than making welfare issue. But yeah, right, I got you, but it's just right. So then it's all things, because now here we go.
Speaker 2:A bunch of years ago there was a on 2020 and I I tell this story a few times, told it a few times there was a thing where all the things that they were putting into the food like, um, steroids and stuff and meat and whatnot, because they wanted, they needed more meat to feed the masses, yeah, yeah, and bigger cows, bigger bull, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Bigger pigs and whatnot. So then they can get the food that they need, that we need. You know that they could sell and everything else with it. Right, all those things started showing up in our kids. So, then, when we were kids, that kids were you know, at 13, right, all their hormones went fucking ballistic.
Speaker 1:And women are getting their periods Right Because they're getting all the steroids.
Speaker 3:Girls are getting their periods at like and the milk Exactly Boys are growing beards Right.
Speaker 2:At fucking 12 years old. There's stuff like that.
Speaker 1:You're getting like a lot of kids with like you know, gynecomastia Right, Gynecomastia man Yup, that's a good word. Yeah, it is, yeah, it's 25 cents Hold on.
Speaker 2:All your quota because you know I'm that guy. Of course you are. You know what is this going to do in the next handful of years. So we don't even know what this might have done to us already, because gmos have absolutely things so far as we know. You know, we're not really sitting here, you know we're just next essential crisis right now. I didn't say, I didn't say matrix stuff. I'm just saying, like you know, I'm just being like you know, it's just what has it done to us?
Speaker 1:No, I know what you mean. I think the thing is with GMOs. I think for plants it probably doesn't affect us as much because we're not plants. You know what I mean. So you don't get the whole hormones and all that stuff. I think when you start GMOing animals and you start changing their dna right if you're going to consume- that's just eventually going to lead to people.
Speaker 3:That's basically what's going to happen. Animal dna.
Speaker 1:We're animals, so animal dna you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, fucking with that shit, but again it's. It's one of those things where, even with the plant though yeah, you know how healthy, you just said that there could be allergies yeah, like it could be.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying it's, it's, yeah, I'm just like pulling something out of my ass. No, no, but you're right who knows what it could do you? Know, yeah, or you create like a porn, like that. That's another thing you imagine that you say a porn.
Speaker 2:I'm like well, I I cut myself up.
Speaker 1:I said I was gonna say poison, but like make like this gmo, this like super poison, that, like like you know that that's more wipe everything out.
Speaker 2:You know like, yeah, you know, just, and again, these are the things you know and I know because I'm the guy yeah, you know that I just go, you know, I go to the dark side.
Speaker 3:You need to be a little bit more positive I know, but you know, it's just that all that shit bothers me, you know, I get. It no, I totally know again.
Speaker 2:So I mean so sitting here with you guys, right for so long, right for the time that we've been doing the podcast and whatnot, and I learned so much from you, a handful of our guests that I'm hearing listening to things that they're saying I'm like fuck, like there's a lot of shit out there that we I I never paid attention to, right, you know what I mean. So then here we got the gmos. What was it that used to be in the Chinese food? That they were? It was yeah, but that stuff that it was in the Chinese food that they said we couldn't use it anymore.
Speaker 3:I don't remember that yeah.
Speaker 2:You know they didn't want them to use it anymore. And well, it wasn't just Chinese food. I'm just remembering, because it was Chinese food. It was in a bunch of fast food restaurant.
Speaker 1:Everybody who's watching. The light bulb just appeared by my head. Go ahead, Because I'm sorry to cut you off just because I remembered it, the animal DNA crossing with the plant DNA. Right From what I read, I forget what animal it was. Was it a lightning bug or like a fish that can glow? They figured out a way to cross with the GMO DNA and put it into trees, so the trees would glow. What the fuck so you wouldn't need nightlights.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's pretty cool, it's cool, but it's like, really, bro, it's not hurting the tree.
Speaker 3:Why not? You don't know. It's not hurting the tree, it'd be like Avatar. Yeah, how much shit was glowing in that movie man.
Speaker 2:Everything. There was another fucking planet bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay in that movie, man, everything. Another fucking planning bro. Yeah, okay, but maybe yeah, that's where I was like. It's kind of like yeah it's kind of like you know, that's where it's like right for vegans.
Speaker 3:That's really fucking well, I I understand and I totally get what you're saying in regards to those trees, and that would right that they just exist forever.
Speaker 1:Because not only that, like now, you've created a new fucking species of fucking tree that glows Right and now it's going to drop acorns and start growing more glowing trees?
Speaker 2:Well, no, but it's going to start glowing. It's going to do that to the trees. And then who eats the?
Speaker 1:fucking acorns. Imagine if that ends up being the fucking-.
Speaker 3:Well, they should do it with trees because trees will grow. We need them.
Speaker 2:No, no. Well, I'm saying, but then who eats, who feeds off of the plants, off of the trees, all these glowing animals you'll have now? No, no, I think it would just their shit would glow well, because no, no, no it would be, in the beginning.
Speaker 2:It may not even be harmful to them yeah, it would alter the dna and then you know, I'm just saying I think it would adapt right, like everything else. But again, that's because the three of us sitting here, you guys, stay on that positive, I'm positive, I promise, I promise I'm a, really I am a fucking positive. I'm a positive person. I tell everybody love everybody else. But with that tree, but with the tree.
Speaker 3:So now if acorn having that, you know that GMO, you know what's going to be an acorn though no, no, I'm going by what Tom said.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's an oak tree, maybe it's a pine.
Speaker 2:Well, either way, the leaves, or whatever it is, the plants. So you have the caterpillars, the worms, the birds, whatever it is, that's eating the berries, that's eating the acorns, the squirrels that grab the acorns.
Speaker 1:What are those things that the pine trees drop? That's technically their seed Pine cone squirrels that grab the acorns?
Speaker 3:What are those things that the pine trees drop that technically they're seeing? What are those called the?
Speaker 1:things that they drop Pine cone Right.
Speaker 2:So then you have, like I said, all these things that animals eat, that insects eat, the birds eat. Now it's in there. So now, how does that change?
Speaker 3:It makes it easier to see the insect, if that happens.
Speaker 2:Oh, check him out. But then what about it? What does it do to them inside? I don't know. You know what I'm saying, like now is it going? To be growing.
Speaker 3:It's going to get a little bit bigger. We're asking questions we have no answers to, but how cool would that be?
Speaker 1:Imagine they make that like the dominant, like it's like a dominant tree that grows faster and all of a sudden you get a whole fucking forest full of fucking glowing trees.
Speaker 3:You imagine what that would look like. Well, it depends on where you put them. Too right, you wouldn't put them in front of somebody's house. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, because some people might think that's pretty groovy. I think the whole idea was like if you were to plant bees, you would need street lights or something like that.
Speaker 3:Okay, so now we'll do that route which, so which wouldn't be a bad thing when you think about that.
Speaker 2:Then that means less electricity.
Speaker 3:Of course, environmental.
Speaker 2:Environmental, so that would work.
Speaker 3:So check it out. Environmental.
Speaker 2:You see the fucking deer. If the deer we wouldn't hit fucking deer.
Speaker 3:Well, they were here first, but we'll have to get into that conversation. By decreasing the need for pesticides and herbicides, gmos can lessen the environmental impact of farming, reducing soil and water contamination. But that's a positive right. Right Improves soil health. Some GMO crops can be engineered to improve soil health by fixing nitrogen and enhancing nutrient uptake. Okay, so that kind of stuff is good. Yes, they're doing it to try to make you know. Okay, now we got to make the soil healthy too so that's a good thing, right?
Speaker 3:because you want to do that, because you still have, because, remember, we have a lot of contaminants in the air, this shit pumped in the air all day from different parts of the world. Who knows who's doing what? Right, right um thing with us, especially because we'd like the biggest, one of the biggest contributors to freaking pollution.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not cow farts.
Speaker 3:It's all of it. Well, I'm just saying it's not just cow farts, it's not just cow farts, it's everything.
Speaker 1:But my thing is like—, so that does help. If GMO is done in a way where it's meant for a greater good, like yeah, I see that's no problem. But when you start doing it for profits, it's just like that slippery slope.
Speaker 3:Right, of course, like anything else. Right. And then when somebody's slipping the bill, you have to. Whoever you work for, you're going to.
Speaker 2:But, and that's what I think that's why.
Speaker 2:That's why I say what I say. And you know when we have these conversations, you know cause you guys say the positive oh, it's going to be this, it's going to be that. One more thing because of all these are things that probably would benefit us. You know what I mean. It would make us better, it could make us healthier, you know we would be able to live longer or whatever, and all that other good shit. But because if, uh, what it would take away from other, uh, I guess we'll say big business that none of that stuff comes out, or not, that it doesn't come out, it comes out less.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So then now I know I'm not supposed to kind of go this way, I'm just saying you could say that about anything in life. Right, oh yeah, definitely Anything anything.
Speaker 3:We could bring up a subject right now and you would have the positive.
Speaker 2:That's just part of it.
Speaker 3:It's just a matter of hopefully, as a society, a world country, everything we can do it in some kind of balance where it's leaning more in the positive, and that's the main idea to keep it in that field. Excuse me, so it's not. It gets out of hand and it becomes something that's abusive or anything like that. First of all, you don't want that to happen. Hopefully that would never happen, right, but it sounds like from what we're reading it's pretty positive.
Speaker 2:You know yeah.
Speaker 3:But you still understand there could be negative things to it too, but people are you know because of how it's made or done.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, too, is like because of all the negative stuff has gotten so much attention.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That like now you see on products no GMO, no GMO. People have now fears of GMO Right Right, because of all the negative stuff that's in there, right.
Speaker 3:And that's the age we live in. Yeah, with everything.
Speaker 2:And again, so like all right, so boom. We know that.
Speaker 3:So you just got to be smart enough to know to read the bullshit and just say okay, I mean because it's like anything else you get the right information from the right place.
Speaker 2:Right. So now it does go back to what you said earlier about allergies.
Speaker 3:Because people can be allergic to the reaction that, yeah, dogs have an issue with with their food too, with gmos, yeah, well, just because of the way the food's made and everything, just the fact that it it's not really healthy for them right, so I get what you're saying it could. It could either give you an allergy or it could also help where you can eat it now because you had an allergy.
Speaker 2:It removes that for you Right, and that's what I'm saying. It's radical too.
Speaker 1:Whatever is in the plant that makes you allergic to it.
Speaker 2:Maybe it can remove that. So, like Dr Google. So here it is, entered, uh, have entered the food supply. Numbers of irritable bowel syndrome, crohn's disease, um ulcer, ulcerative colitis, leaky gut syndrome, constipation and acid reflux have sharply risen. Now that's Dr Google speaking right. How is I guess I'm? I'm saying I'm going straight to the, to the conspiracy part. Is it just that what some people are saying?
Speaker 2:and putting it to Dr Google to say oh my God, don't do the GMO thing. Leave it alone. It's going to fuck you up. You know what I'm saying? Right, when it could be literally what you guys are saying, that it's a positive thing.
Speaker 3:Right, it is you know what I mean, because it could help us Most.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, oh, I'm sure More positive than negative.
Speaker 3:And the thing is like this stuff is usually regulated and everything you think.
Speaker 1:Anyway the thing is like a lot of the negative stuff attracts a lot of attention and like. The one thing is like you know the company Monsanto, right, have you heard of them? No, I mean, they're a very big company and they're talked about a lot. It's definitely a good documentary for my can watch. It is food Inc, it's on Netflix, it's it's been around for a while, but they, you know, they show stuff, all the stuff that these different companies do and like how fucked up shit. And like Monsanto has, uh, they own roundup. They're the company that owns roundup. Oh, so for some reason, they genetically modified this soybean and it's supposed to produce a lot of soy and it's supposed to be a really resilient crop.
Speaker 1:I don't know I'm sure it's just really good. But they passed legislation where you can own the rights to a crop. If you GMO and create a crop, you can own the rights to it and you own it like people. Like you can actually control and sue people who like own, like the seeds and stuff like that. So like these companies, you know they, they and they, they hide, they subcontract these farmers right and they give them the seeds for the soy and if they like save seeds, they get. They have like investigators that follow them around and the seeds aren't accounted for, they get. Like you know they'll get charges filed on them and stuff.
Speaker 1:It's fucked up. It's really a food system.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way they say it. And there you go, right.
Speaker 1:So then that turns into now that turns into, like I was saying so definitely a good documentary. It's been on Netflix forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, then like.
Speaker 1:I said it's over 10 years old but it's still good.
Speaker 2:So then it turns into now is the big business. Yeah, you know what I mean and it's like anything else. You know, I don't know. You know people listening and watching. Like I said, I just do the negative stuff every once in a while.
Speaker 3:It's not because these guys come into the closet. You're looking Because Right, you're looking at. You can't be blind and not say that it's not going to be a negative Right and not say that this can be a whatever Right, but it's literally like anything else you know, no matter what we eat Like.
Speaker 2:so now I'm thinking vegetable oil was the fucking shit, and I'm going to cook with vegetable oil, blah, blah, blah, blah. And here you go and tell me it doesn't matter what oil, because when you heat it up it can still be bad for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I'm thinking I'm half black, I'm half vegan, bro, I deep fry fucking everything I can. Right, I know. But they do say that the oils are an issue as far as for your heart. You shouldn't be. You should use olive oil, right? So?
Speaker 1:now if they can take the GMO and modify it where it's no longer a mega six.
Speaker 2:It's a mega threes instead.
Speaker 1:Exactly turn the omega-6s into mega exactly that.
Speaker 2:We're gonna be able to eat certain foods, right and and nothing but vitamins. Be working on it as we speak hell yeah that you know like I'm not a big fish eater, but then I turn either of mine.
Speaker 3:No jokes you know that I take a supplement right as far as fish oil is concerned.
Speaker 2:That's where I'm looking.
Speaker 1:That's the vegan version of fish oil. Algae oil that's what the fish eat the algae.
Speaker 2:Oh, algae, oh really, that's where they get the omega, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:People think that the salmon have omega-3 in them. Right, they don't have it in them. It's the algae they eat that creates, that puts the omega-3 into their bodies.
Speaker 3:Because they have to get it somehow as well too. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:I never thought of that.
Speaker 3:Bro, you're so smart. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1:No. I just get it from the source. I get algae oil.
Speaker 3:I'm going to look that up.
Speaker 1:I'm going to check it out. It's so weird too. When you open it up, it smells like fish, but it's the algae.
Speaker 2:That's what the fish smell like. They smell like the algae. Ain't that some shit? What that's the fishy smell? Yeah, they're out right. See, I got so many jokes.
Speaker 1:I'm being good okay anyway, you're gonna say algae smells like someone knows like algae, I know I'll keep. I can't help it oh man I it there. You told them to be tame and I was like nah, nah nah, you did it.
Speaker 3:I knew one of you were going to do it anyway. What?
Speaker 1:Us. No Smells like algae in here. Close your legs, you know what.
Speaker 2:That's great, but no but seriously, so now ready. Yeah, supplement to vitamins Okay, so now. But all right, so now ready.
Speaker 3:Yeah, supplement to um, uh, vitamins, okay, right, so, oh, you got. Well, I have something.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, okay, go ahead no, no you have to finish vitamins, finish what you were saying please, oh my god, I just want to be here. No, so now right. So here we go, right. Do they then gmo the vitamins?
Speaker 3:well, I I don know, but what I was going to read was nutritional enhancement. Biofortification GMOs can be enriched with vitamins, minerals, to address nutritional deficiency. Golden rice which is engineered to contain beta carotene, vitamin A.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:In some developing countries. They are deficient, so they make it, so they have it, so they can get it. I guess they don they make it, so they have it, so they can get it. I guess they don't have it in quantity there so they can't get it enough. So they make it, so they can Right.
Speaker 1:So they make it for the reason. So there you go, I think canola oil is GMO.
Speaker 2:Yes, you did. You said that it was.
Speaker 3:It is, but supposedly those oils are not healthy for you based on what? They're saying, as far as heart health is concerned, yeah, yeah, oh so Heart health is, if you just they say, you should just use olive oil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, olive oil is good, but then doesn't olive oil have the same?
Speaker 3:characteristics when you no, so much better for you.
Speaker 2:Well see, I'm thinking, thought that it was always the thought, that it was the only difference between light olive oil regular you
Speaker 1:can cook with it too, by the way virgin olive oil is like really the clarity and flavor like if you get like extra, if you get light olive oil, it's like barely tastes like anything.
Speaker 3:It's very clear you can get a different, and then you know I, I, I happen to like getting the robust olive oil.
Speaker 1:Right, it's very flavorful. That's like olive oil you dip in bread and salt and pepper and then dip it in the bread.
Speaker 2:See, I guess I'm just stuck on the idea, the thought of being able to deep fry. I know we have air fryers now and blah, blah, blah, rah, rah, rah, rah, but just the idea of being able to deep fry the stuff. So, french fries, man, oh my God, french fries, you know, make them like that. I air fry.
Speaker 3:The air fry's good.
Speaker 2:Right, I know it is good, it is man, I just can't find one big enough, because once I make it, I'm just working.
Speaker 3:You can burn all your GMOs in there.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what the good part is whenever you're ready to upgrade, you get a new oven. They have air fryers now In an oven yeah. See Suzanne, she sells.
Speaker 2:Reno's appliance. Just give her a free plug Reno's appliance.
Speaker 1:Go see Suzanne.
Speaker 3:She was on our show. Yeah, she was. She was a good guest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she sold me the, the what do you call it? The? When we redid our uh kitchen, I bought the stove and it has a convection oven which I use the convection. More than anything else, it has the air fryer built right no, there it is.
Speaker 2:That makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense yeah, so then you can, and and it's a big air fryer basket, the whole size of the oven, right, you put all your fries on there, boom. Yeah, the whole thing whole bag of fries.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I want to make my own fries.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I cut you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I want to cut the potato up.
Speaker 3:That's what my mother made them all the time I buy the frozen fries. Yeah, my mother made them like that.
Speaker 1:They're ready to go.
Speaker 3:I always make French fries. They coat them in oil already.
Speaker 1:So they're ready to go for the air fryer?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you see so getting back to the GMOs real quick. So if they can do that for the oil, like you were saying, and they can deep fry it like you were able to deep fry it without having any of the health issues with it they say you can get, then why I can't imagine why they couldn't do that. You know what I mean? The fact that it could help people who are allergic to things Obviously the vitamins they were just talking about. They can help people with a deficient in certain places.
Speaker 3:They can get that. So I see a lot of I mean, if they can do that, and it's all positive, it's helpful To me. It looks like what we talked about the Star Trek shit it's starting to happen. It's just like it's going in that hopefully you know.
Speaker 1:Also for you know medicine and alchemy.
Speaker 3:Yes, and medicine Absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know, maybe there's a plant that produces certain something, but it just doesn't grow well anywhere else, but like on the summit of a mountain in china you know what I mean now we can make it grow anywhere they made a gmo, and now it has this medicine that you can extract.
Speaker 3:So let's bring up pharmaponics. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go we did that podcast yeah that could be incorporated with that somehow yeah, exactly, but they don't need to have it outside. They have it in a warehouse and they've got all these things growing in the water and everything you could gmo or like yeah there's positives?
Speaker 2:I don't know there's so much you can do, right, but then that will be in the soil, and well no, because the hydroponics doesn't even grow in dirt like my thing is well, if you can, you do it both ways, it doesn't matter okay, if they're going to grow outside with gmo, don't they have fda regulations? I don't assume. Well, that's the thing so a gross certification is gras gross.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a handful of safe, but there's a handful of countries that are banning it because they don't want gmo, because there's no scientific proof that is beneficial. So that then they're not what they're saying. That's what the problem is, some kind of scientific exactly testing.
Speaker 2:So now, when that's what they're saying, that's what the problem is they need some kind of scientific research and testing. So now, when that's why I was saying what I was saying earlier, that's what I'm saying so that then now there's no real proof that it's that kind of beneficial, Do we keep messing around? And you know just.
Speaker 3:Well, obviously it is. They use it when they make it Right, but not all countries. Well, well, not all countries, right, right, that's the thing said. Then, if, well, most of our foods in this country, uh, are banned anyway in most countries, right, exactly, so that then now we basically freaking poison. So now we use it, and it's not because of the gmos, it's because of everything else in between the process, the processed foods.
Speaker 2:So then now, if they're not doing the gmos in other countries, you know what I mean the same way that they're not doing the GMOs in other countries, you know what I mean. The same way that they're banning a lot of the process that we used for our foods. Is GMO the way to go? You know what I mean? Like how much?
Speaker 3:more are us in other countries.
Speaker 2:I mean, do we really have that much control Really?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no what would you say, tom, you think we have that much control where we can regulate it on our own. If we didn't want to have GMOs in our life, it'd probably be as hard as what you're doing. Well, I'm not saying that being a vegan is hard, but I'm sure you've run into obstacles because of it when you first started, right?
Speaker 1:As long as there's a market for people who don't want GMOs, they're going to make you know I mean think about organics. People are really big in foods. You know which is no gmo organics. There's no gmo free, so you know like stuff at whole foods and all that says a huge market for it.
Speaker 2:So I think gmos won't take over you know what I mean, because there's people who are against it? You know what I mean like I don't think.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I don't think gOs are bad on their own, but I think it's why something is GMO is the thing to be careful about. Like, did they make it so they can spray it with pesticides now and it won't die from? Or spray it with herbicides and it won't die from herbicides. You know what I mean? And now that's kind of the food and, like I know they say like a lot of those herbicides are safe after a certain time.
Speaker 1:But like, yeah, meanwhile you know, maybe, like you know, our research showed after a couple weeks he was fine and then like 10 years later, you know, he's got fucking third eye and fucking yeah you know an ear growing on the forehead. You know who the fuck knows you know well.
Speaker 3:I just found out that it is regulated by uh, the fda like what yes regulation is genetically modified organisms involves three main federal agencies the fda, the environmental protection agency, the epa and the us department of agriculture at usda. Okay, so there's three but and they uh departments that are looking over this.
Speaker 1:But what is their? What do they?
Speaker 3:you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like, if it's just like oh, that's fine you know or do they look at it? They do scientific research on it?
Speaker 2:I would hope so. I think they are. That's what I would hope so.
Speaker 1:But like, oh, yeah, the FDA's got it. But what's if the FDA is like, yeah, it's fine, right? I doubt that they would do that.
Speaker 2:So don't forget, though, gmos also. They make the food look better to us. You know whether it makes it greener, redder or whatever, Sometimes they do that too Right. So then, rather than just putting the food dye in, whatever you know, even for those of us who eat meat. They make it look brown because brown like ooh brown, but that steak is really brown.
Speaker 1:I can't help it's not mention this without mentioning guys. Okay, because, all right, you know that they, they, I, I, I, maybe suzanne talking about when you say you know they put red dye in in beef. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, they put the red dye.
Speaker 2:So this way it makes it look more appealing, because it's oxidized brown right.
Speaker 1:That doesn't do that.
Speaker 2:That's something well again, but if you saw the brown meat though. So when we see brown meat at the store, we're like, oh shit, is that really good? How long has it been sitting here? Right, you know what I mean a long time.
Speaker 1:That's why they put diced them. So now you have meat. That's fucking right. Three months old, right? Did you know that? I'm not saying, saying Not literally three months, I don't know how long.
Speaker 3:I don't think they can leave it out that long. No, no, no, no. But we just exaggerated. But you know what I mean. Did you know that? What supermarket?
Speaker 2:are you shopping at? No? No, no, did you know that, though, that they put the red.
Speaker 1:No, it's like a bubble, because they fill it with a like what's a nitrogen gas? So it doesn't oxidize, right. So it's more shelf stable and last longer.
Speaker 2:Yep, so these are the little things as I'm saying, so that now GMOs, will that help stop that kind of stuff? You know what I mean, and it's not just for me. We're talking about the vegetables because and so, like I was watching, I was watching a hack and if you take avocados and you put them into water, put them in your fridge, they'll last longer sitting in the water because they're not sitting out in the open air and they're not um, like it's oxidizing would be the word, and they'll last longer. You know what I mean. Would then gmos help from that happening?
Speaker 1:well, you know, what they would need to do is they would need to cross or not cross. I'm saying cross, pollinate, right, right, right. This is actually in a, in a lab, but they would have to put something in it that has citrus right because or anything that has. And well, yeah, because I don't. I don't think they have antioxidants in them. Um, it's just uh avocados yeah avocados are more known for their um the omegas right, but um, yeah, they would have to put a plant.
Speaker 1:You cross it with a plant that has antioxidants like citrus. That's why citrus is it. That's what called antioxidants turn color like an apple or a banana or an avocado, because they don't have antioxidants in them. So if they were to put a plant that has antioxidants, it would probably stay the same color, but the side effect might be like it just stays bright green.
Speaker 2:It never turns black, so you don't know when it's fucking ripe. That's the thing that it's supposed to make it that it doesn't rot yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But what's if it doesn't ripe? Maybe because right there you go the other part of that process.
Speaker 2:You need to have it rest yeah, so then that's where the gmo will come in, because then they would have to set up that organism to make it where it's going to stop or stop, yeah, I don't know you what I mean?
Speaker 3:I don't know if they'll be able to. I mean that's, but you never know, man.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's what my fear is. You know what I mean? I'm 52 now and I'm finding so many different things that I can, can't, should, shouldn't eat that you know. I'm like fuck, that wasn't good for me. Out of that I have to stop eating this. 95 of my sugar intake is gone. You know, I was eating candy bro, like it was going out of style and I just cut all that out. Now I'm like on a candy bar, maybe two candy bars a week. You know if even that much right and that's pushing it, you know it's good. I don't even drink soda like that anymore, you know gmo's are in all that stuff right.
Speaker 2:So that then now is that gonna. I don't know, is it an alcohol, you think? What? Like uh, you said that you said gmo's are in all that stuff. Right, so then now is that going to? I don't know, is it an alcohol, you think?
Speaker 3:What Like?
Speaker 2:You said GMOs are in all that. I'm a top-shelf alcoholic. So then do I turn around and say I don't know, not alcohol, I just meant the foods and stuff.
Speaker 3:I was like yo you made me happy. I'm like oh my God, I meant the actual foods you were mentioning.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you know it would be. It's nice to have to think that these things, there's an idea. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Let's GMO oak trees to make them more oak smelling, and then you cut them, and then you make bourbon barrels out of them and they have an extra strong bourbon. And when they. You know because you ever see how they do the bourbon barrels Right. How and when they.
Speaker 2:You know because you ever see how they do the bourbon barrels Right, how they light them on the inside on fire, char them, and then you put the alcohol in it, and then you smell Right.
Speaker 1:Because if you ever, you ever charred oak Like I had, I had an oak stump in my backyard and I was trying to cut it down because the stump was like five feet tall.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And I cut it so high and I was trying to cut it down and I'm cutting it with the sawzall because it was like a baby oak. It was maybe only like I don't know six inches, I don't know, it was short. Anyway, as I'm cutting it, it's starting to smoke and it smells like fucking bourbon.
Speaker 3:It's so crazy.
Speaker 1:When you char oak it smells like it's got that sweet smell.
Speaker 3:So that's where the smell is actually. You're right, it's like it's got that sweet, sweet smell.
Speaker 1:So that's where the smell is actually. You're right.
Speaker 3:It's like oh, it's the best smell. I wish I could just have charred oak in my house. It's so cool how certain things help other things and to mix them, and we've been doing that for the longest time, since the beginning of time, but you imagine if, whatever that smell that comes from oak, like they put extra in, it doesn't need to stay for five years, it'll just take two and a half years.
Speaker 1:Right, you know? Like, right, that's another gmo. You know you could, there's, there's, you know it's endless.
Speaker 2:I think that it could be something really cool and worthwhile. I really really do. You know again me on that little negative bullshit. You know that I do is just, you know, we just way, everybody knows we know that there are anything could be. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Well, there's always like again, it's always two sides to everything and that's the whole thing. So yeah, yeah, um, but hopefully everything is on the. You know it's on the up and up and up and people doing the right things.
Speaker 3:You know, but you know there's no, there's no. Uh, it's not bad for you to be a little on the skeptic side, because that's necessary in order for you to to you know, make sure you're right. Intelligent decision, do your research, check it out and then find you the place that you're going to be comfortable with I guess, and then now, like I said earlier, it's basically this with anything that we do in life right so everything that we do, whether it's going to work or at least ship or whatever, right I mean, it's just always something we can always find something.
Speaker 3:There's always going to be something that's going to happen. That may not be good or bad.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, listen, I eat and do like I said. It's good for this and it's gonna be that. I'm like, well, you know, but I eat all that stuff. You know what I mean? I still I have those foods that I question. I'll read a little bit more on it, I'll do a little bit more research, so then I'll buy differently, right?
Speaker 3:I mean kind of what I mean, kind of like Tom does, he looks at the labels to make sure there's no animal products.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, you know he, you know before right he does his homework for sure.
Speaker 2:And that's what I'm saying. That's what I do, you know. So I said just, I'm not saying to anybody no, that's not what we're about. We're just here to have a conversation. Look at everything and anything that you do, that you eat, that you're, you know, wearing that you're, whatever meds and everything else, just to know what it could do to your body, because every single one of us is different, you know, and I do believe that the gmos are something that could be worthwhile for us. On the other end, oh, you know, it looks like it's going in that direction.
Speaker 3:So that's good and of course you know, I just feel like you know, like you were saying americans, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It looks like it's going in that direction. So that's good and of course, you know. I just feel like you know, like you were saying americans, you know, in the states we do things that you know. It's like the government let's say whatever, yeah, put that through and see what it is. So we'll be the guinea pigs for the rest of the world, but if it's going to be something that's going to help, not necessarily this world.
Speaker 3:The rest of the world is smart enough to know not put that shit in their food well again, but we're a little bit different, because we're so money hungry over here. That's the problem.
Speaker 2:It's just a difference in in uh and what it can do for whomever, example, said then we know that you can't, you know, uh, basically grow an oak tree in the middle of the desert. Said then, if you turn around and you know the genetic genetic, live, genetically, modify whatever trees to grow in the desert to make them better, that then there can be food in those in those places, then shit, bro, fucking hey, that should be what is going on. You know what I mean that is not gonna hurt.
Speaker 3:I think they have indoor places, that they, yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's like, but then we go back into the environmental.
Speaker 1:That's the problem, it's like you know anything that's good, people will find a way right exactly. They'll turn around and try to twist it up Right of course.
Speaker 2:And again, like I said, I, just want everybody, I want all of us to be healthy. I want everybody to be okay, and that's my hope and dream. That's my thing. Yeah, I still want to be a cyborg, but I just would like for everybody to just be healthy. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:We all go through things every day. Why is a cyborg this? I want to be a cyborg. You did that. No, I want to be a cyborg You're going to go grab.
Speaker 2:I just want all of us to just be healthy. I want it to be pain-free, hunger-free. I just want everybody to be good. And, like I said, if GMOs or just genetically modifying anything that's going to make us better and healthier, I'm all for it, man.
Speaker 3:Well, we don't really have a choice right now. So it's you know like again we're going to have to just take it as you know, be diligent and look at the label if that's what you want to do, or whatever. And you don't want it in your diet, then fine, go for it. I think it's, I think we're, you know we're fine. I'm talking all the futurist stuff.
Speaker 1:You know all the cool stuff about it. But like, at the same time, like I still would try to avoid it, for me personally, for the most part, just because I don't know, I don't trust.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't trust it enough.
Speaker 3:I don't trust people, I'm not so trusting that like that they actually did test it and like right, no, hey, I get it, I get it paid the guy off who tested.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know. Yeah, do you like a lamborghini?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, no, I get what you're saying, man, you, but again you're going to have that part of it, but you've got to kind of learn how to just balance it. Sometimes some things are easier, some things are not. This is one thing that you really don't think about, and that's the whole thing I'm saying. It's like research and you're like okay, now I'm more educated, I know the negatives. I know the positives, but it looks like it's going in the right direction, which is, I think, the good thing.
Speaker 2:Well, I said, I hope it all goes good for us, and so, with that, that is our show for today. My gentlemen, oh ho, yee hee.
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